There’s not enough enthusiasm either so that we could have a thousand pieces made in China for a reasonable price.
Plus i have no idea how to deal with manufacturers, let alone Chinese.
Maybe rename the topic to “DIY über thrower”.
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But they just stuck a E27 fitting in there making the whole thing pointless (hey, that’s a pun!)
Love the wooden tripod too.
Ridiculous price though.
I did some quick test on the fly with the cigarette lighter
just had the camera in one hand and the reflector in the other
its not perfectly focused but shows how it is, good hotspot and some lighter area around it, which is in my opinion not bad at all
XP-G2 R5 with dome at 0.5A
laser range meter says 11m
Oh, now it looks really bad in comparison…
I’m going to email optiforms tonight and see how much a 4-6” reflector will cost.
If it’s under $100 I’ll go for it.
Before random ordering a reflector size/focal length, we first must establish what ‘catch angle’ is optimal for a recoil reflector, and my suspicion is that 120 degrees is too much. My fear: the outer part of the reflector will produce a larger and fuzzier image of the die and therefore hardly contribute to the throw. As well as Lexel I will experiment with the cigarette lighter reflector to see if I find the same as with the Mirascope reflector.
I’m not trying to dissuade anyone from building a recoil reflector light, but it seems some are overestimating the improvement in light collection efficiency of a recoil setup over a traditional reflector setup. A typical traditional reflector (like a C8 reflector) already collects 75% of the light emitted (lumens) from the LED, so collecting 100% of the light would only be a 33% improvement.
If you are trying to think about the total light collected by a reflector, the intensity vs angle plot (let’s call this angle theta) quoted above (from the giga thrower thread) doesn’t tell the whole story. This plot is a slice of the 3-dimensional beam profile. To get the total emitted light you have to consider this 3d shape. For example, the light is less intense at theta angles around 45 degrees, but there is actually a lot of total light in this region of theta angle because of the shape of the 3d beam; basically for the same reason a circle’s circumference gets larger as the diameter is increased. Mathematically, this means integrating around the other axis (the axis perpendicular to the LED surface). When you do this it adds a sin(theta) factor, so the total light emitted at different angles is now proportional to sin(theta)cos(theta). This is the multiplication of the intensity pattern (cos(theta)), which is greatest around 0 degrees, and sin(theta), which is greatest around 90 degrees. The result is a curve that peaks around 45 degrees.
We can get some number estimates by using wolfram alpha to integrate for us.
This integrates all of the light from 0 to 90 degrees (1.57 radians) and the answer is 0.5. This is just a proportionality factor that we’ll use to compare future calculations.
Now, a C8 reflector is ~38mm wide and ~33mm deep. It collects light greater than half angle ~30degrees (inverse tan(38/(2*33))), which is about 0.523rad.
Anyway, we should have a look at how much light is emitted to the various angles.
Do consider though that a ‘normal’ reflector thrower uses all of the wide angled light too, so apparently it’s worthwhile.
Funny the previous post used this image too:
As you can see, contrary to what previous post claims, it’s more like 75% spill with a regular set up.
In the picture you can vaguely see the yellow lines that show that a recoil set up turns everything into a beam.
I have stopped at about 145° for both reflectors because the LED does not produce much light any further.
Moreover, it’s usually greenish brown light that comes from the sides, as you all may recognise in the coronas of regular flashlights.
And maybe that’s why flashlights often have a centring gasket with a collar that shrouds the wide angled light.
Either way, a regular reflector spills some 65° of the most intense light.
According to the picture we could limit the recoil reflector to where it is 50% intensity (relative to 100% @ 0°), which happens to be around 60°, thus 120° in total.
Maybe 110° is best, reducing the diameter some more.
I was attempting to explain in my post why your reasoning is incorrect. For example, an aspheric lens light usually collects a ~30degree half angle when focused. With your reasoning, wouldn’t you expect the light collection to be good in aspheric lights? Well, it is not good because it only collects ~25% of the total light. Djozz’s measurements here support that; just 21% of the total light from the LED is in the beam when in focus mode.
But it is not incorrect.
Just look at the radiation diagram of an LED and than superimpose that on the picture in the OP, and compare that to the picture above.
The recoil set up will focus all of it, including the 65° a regular reflector simply spills,which happens to be about 66% of the emitted lumens (my guesstimate).