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I personally don´t care about the driver type in the new D4 – I want the most lumen out of it in turbo mode (hopefully nearly 4400 lumen in the XP-L HI version Evil ); batteries can be recharged! Big Smile

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kiriba-ru wrote:
2 hours? 20% drop? Are you sure?

No. Nobody has numbers yet. Those are made-up.

kiriba-ru wrote:
And no, you cant show all factors in 3-dimensional graph…

I didn’t try to put all factors into one graph. Smile
A 3-dimensional graph can show 3 factors. In this case:

X = brightness level in UI (1-9 of 9, or 1-150 of 150)
Y = lumens
Z = time

kiriba-ru wrote:
Ramping fet is smth very strange. You are trying to manage some parameter that you havent calculated and dont know exactly its value right now. … Cell voltage and R can be tested each time you turn switch on and some standart discharge curved can be used to make lower modes (50% and less) more stable (compensate cell discharge).

I’m not trying to regulate flat lumen output in firmware at all, and I don’t think the D4 firmware does either. I don’t care much if output sags over time. I do try to regulate heat though, because I don’t like to damage the hardware or burn the user.

The firmware could attempt to do flat current regulation on a FET, by increasing PWM level or decreasing PFM ceiling as voltage drops. I’ve done it before. It’s complicated and fragile and not very effective. I don’t find it worthwhile. Current regulation is better handled at a hardware level.

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  • Good efficiency
  • High maximum current
  • Ability to fit in a pocketable light (let’s call that about 20mm driver diameter)
  • Low price

As far as I can tell, the D4 should have high maximum current, ability to fit in a pocketable light, and low price. The efficiency isn’t going to be as good as a Zebralight, but it should be significantly better than a FET-only driver. So… 3/4 maybe?

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As far as I can tell, the D4 should have high maximum current, ability to fit in a pocketable light, and low price. The efficiency isn’t going to be as good as a Zebralight, but it should be significantly better than a FET-only driver. So… 3/4 maybe?

The D4 gets 3/4, but it doesn’t have a boost driver. I was specifically addressing boost drivers: good ones are either big or expensive.

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Does anybody of you use lights except for wow – effect?
As already said this host can carry 5-7W for long time. With 10-15W consumption it would be hot like zebra on turbo. With 20W+ it would be an useless toy. I have 30W pocket light of similar size and overheating(65C) occurs after 17 seconds.
A price of Skilhunt h03 with buck driver is obout 30$. So D4 with dd , pwm and unknown output (becouse of rumping) is only quite expensive host for mod.
After M43, D4 is huge step back for Hank. I understand that d4 is already in production but I hope to see good drivers in the next Hank s light.

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The Meteor is called Noctigon MEteor, and is sold as a semi-high end flashlight with a rather high price-point…
The D4 is sold under Emisar brand, at 35$ for a quad… you can’t expect the same level of technology/efficiency/Russian eforums exigence…
Please, Russian fellows, give us the secret to make 35$ flashlights with magical boost driver fully relgulated at all levels Flat Stare

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I don’t want cheap flashlight. I want to spent my money for good thing that I can use every day.

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gukase wrote:
I don’t want cheap flashlight. I want to spent my money for good thing that I can use every day.

The good thing is that no one forces you to buy it ….I do not understand your disgust, if something I do not like I do not buy it and I do not walk all day complaining ….
I like this price at what it offers, so I will buy one. The good thing is that no one forces anyone to buy anything.
(of course, I will buy it only if Hank decide sell in his store….)

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X3 wrote:
The Meteor is called Noctigon MEteor, and is sold as a semi-high end flashlight|

So we waited the same hi level with out analogs on market. But we received another astrolux.
It’s as if the ferrarri will release ford fiesta.
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I do not understand your disgust

This is disappointment and nothing more/
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gukase wrote:
I don’t want cheap flashlight. I want to spent my money for good thing that I can use every day.

If this one is not good enough, buy a zebralight instead. Problem solved.
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Agro wrote:
gukase wrote:
I don’t want cheap flashlight. I want to spent my money for good thing that I can use every day.

If this one is not good enough, buy a zebralight instead. Problem solved.

And be happy with its greenish tint Big Smile
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It’s fun to see how people who pay the price of a mid-range flashlight want to have a zebralight in their hands ….;-)

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Trevi_lux wrote:
It’s fun to see how people who pay the price of a mid-range flashlight want to have a zebralight in their hands ….;-)

M43 also had a price of a mid-range flashlight when it was relised. I dont want another zebralight.
I was waiting for good 4led light with good modern driver for adequate price.
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AEDe wrote:
Trevi_lux wrote:
It’s fun to see how people who pay the price of a mid-range flashlight want to have a zebralight in their hands ….;-)
M43 also had a price of a mid-range flashlight when it was relised. I dont want another zebralight. I was waiting for good 4led light with good modern driver for adequate price.

I really understand you…but the “adequate” price for this, is obviously higher than 35 USD…(is only my opinion, of course)

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AEDe wrote:
Trevi_lux wrote:
It’s fun to see how people who pay the price of a mid-range flashlight want to have a zebralight in their hands ….;-)
M43 also had a price of a mid-range flashlight when it was relised. I dont want another zebralight. I was waiting for good 4led light with good modern driver for adequate price.

When the M43 was released there was no cheap variant of such a light. Today we do have cheap/affordable single 18650 triple and quad lights. It might be tricky if the D4 were priced significantly higher than $35, as people might (= will) find it overpriced. It’s a choice I’m sure, but I also understand the disappointment.

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Trevi_lux wrote:
the “adequate” price for this, is obviously higher than 35 USD

I agree to add 15-20 bucks and even 25 bucks for good driver .
For those who do not want to pay much astrolux and manker exist with similar lights.
hIKARInoob wrote:
Today we do have cheap/affordable single 18650 triple and quad lights.

and all these have low quality , pwm or dd driver bad ui and so on. And now there is one more such light. So I am not happy )
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I think that the last Manker are not comparable with the last Astrolux…. (better of course the Manker)

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Trevi_lux wrote:

I really understand you…but the “adequate” price for this, is obviously higher than 35 USD…(is only my opinion, of course)

Manker u11 coupon price was $30. Quality host with build-in charger, buck driver, side switch, compact size. Same quality light without manker brand could probably cost much less (utorch?). Make changes to fit quad optics (similar to my quad kit, even less machining in comparing with place for reflector). Optics is not more expensive than reflector. PCB footprint doesnt influence on board self-cost (neverless board is single or quad led). Only thing that can increase price – three extra leds (not big difference between 4xXP-G3 vs 1xXP-L).
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Trevi_lux wrote:
AEDe wrote:
Trevi_lux wrote:
It’s fun to see how people who pay the price of a mid-range flashlight want to have a zebralight in their hands ….;-)
M43 also had a price of a mid-range flashlight when it was relised. I dont want another zebralight. I was waiting for good 4led light with good modern driver for adequate price.

I really understand you…but the “adequate” price for this, is obviously higher than 35 USD…(is only my opinion, of course)

Yep
IMHO.
Here the question is not in price. Many were waiting for the same functionality as in the Meteor. And not at all for $ 35. Let it be more expensive. Let it be $50-70. The cost of parts for Indigo is about 15-20 dollars. But not everyone can make a circuit board himself Sad

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A big part of why I make everything open-source is to make sure nothing has to depend on one developer

The code for indigo 5.0 is also open. But it’s in assembler
Indigo_5.0_final.txt
http://forum.fonarevka.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=87964&d=1382298519

If someone irritates links to a foreign forum, I’m sorry. It’s just a way to show the best that is for today Big Smile

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No one has ever objected to any link to any forum on BLF Smile

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ToyKeeper][quote=Reyden wrote:
It seems “ramping” is not clear enough to describe the concept. It is unrelated to heat or power regulation. It is an interface style. The Meteor has 9 brightness levels (plus short transitions between each):

I just wanted to say that M43 driver could have full smooth dimming but it’s more technical issue. That’s the first time that I see this graphs, who is the source? I might have missed something because I’ve never used M43 only his free beta version “Indigo” they’re close but not the same regarding to interface and in reality it has completely smooth ramping, as i can see it. So I would prefer not to compare flashlights but more talking about driver features.

Open source? It’s fully open as mentioned above. May be the time for dedicated “Indigo” topic on BLF has come. Spread the light! Smile

kiriba-ru][quote=ToyKeeper wrote:

Now you understand that smaller steps are not reasonable by eye.

This is the key point.
X3 wrote:

Please, Russian fellows, give us the secret to make 35$ flashlights with magical boost driver fully relgulated at all levels Flat Stare

I would pay even more if it worth it. Anyway I can do it by myself, no sense to argue. We are just discussing why we have that we have..
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Yes, 2 years we waited Noctigon Meteor M13/M14 and got Noctigon Astrolux. Disappointment.

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Disappointment is one thing.
Being rude is another…
Calling the D4 a “piece of shit” even before the first user review will not make Hank modify his product Flat Stare
I wish all the Russian crowd that show itself here to bash a new product was that effective to help BLF in making new products… but it seems easier to bash the Q8 for some people…

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X3 wrote:
Disappointment is one thing.
bash a new product was that effective to help BLF in making new products… but it seems easier to bash the Q8 for some people…

If you mean collaboration, as experience shows, it’s more phenomenon than real business. Talking is of little use. But that would be great.
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I think it would be interesting if someone from Russia (or any fonarevka member) would offer to sell those nice drivers here on BLF (and in English language).
Especially in Europe it is hard to find interesting drivers.
KD has a couple, but usually with horrible mode spacing… FT is the same..

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X3 wrote:

I wish all the Russian crowd that show itself here to bash a new product was that effective to help BLF in making new products… but it seems easier to bash the Q8 for some people…

It seems almost nobody on BLF interesting in hi efficiency driver , and convinient for daily use UI. DD and wow effect are the main thing here. It is great pity)
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Charga wrote:
I personally don´t care about the driver type in the new D4 – I want the most lumen out of it in turbo mode (hopefully nearly 4400 lumen in the XP-L HI version Evil ); batteries can be recharged! Big Smile

Yes… Or swapped to fresh one. 4 fresh cells should be enough for some serious use? But I really doubt someone will use turbo that often. We have middle or lower modes if needed.

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AEDe wrote:
X3 wrote:

I wish all the Russian crowd that show itself here to bash a new product was that effective to help BLF in making new products… but it seems easier to bash the Q8 for some people…

It seems almost nobody on BLF interesting in hi efficiency driver , and convinient for daily use UI. DD and wow effect are the main thing here. It is great pity)
I’m definitely interested.
But i get lost on fonarevka because of the language…

It seems Eastern Europe has much more experience and knowledge of electronics.

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Jerommel wrote:
I’m definitely interested.
But i get lost on fonarevka because of the language…

If you are interested I can try to translate the description of some drivers and send you by PM .
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AEDe wrote:
X3 wrote:
I wish all the Russian crowd that show itself here to bash a new product was that effective to help BLF in making new products… but it seems easier to bash the Q8 for some people…
It seems almost nobody on BLF interesting in hi efficiency driver , and convinient for daily use UI. DD and wow effect are the main thing here. It is great pity)

Sure more options would be better although it is a big pain for small seller…
Or Hank could also offer host option so we could build whatever we want Wink

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