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I also questioned this before buying but after using my S2+ for a while I realized that the spacing is very well done and thought out.

I think the real solution would be to put thermal regulation in the light at 100%. But, that might make it too expensive to be a budget light.

A well working thermal regulation, like in the D4,requires an only slightly more expensive MCU (the Attiny13A in the Convoy has no thermal sensor built in, the Attiny25 has one), and a willing Toykeeper to fine-tune the feedback software. So in production costs it is cheap but in effort in a way it is expensive because you need to 1) convince Simon to use a new component on his drivers, and 2) hire/convince an experienced expert (AKA TK) to get the algorithm done. Btw, I’m sure that the same temperature algorithm of the D4 works fine for an S2+ too.

Just standart Convoy driver + thermoresistor + firmware from fonarevka.ru and you will get the most advanced budget linear driver in the world :wink:
Thermocontrol, full customization, no PWM (!) in all medium and high modes (350 mA and higher).

Hi Wildcat, can you explain a little more?

http://forum.fonarevka.ru/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=32449

This looks interesting. Just add a thermoresistor to a standard x*AMC7135 driver and use a specialized firmware.
I guess we need a well translated description of that Fonarevka topic. Google translating Russian to English often is a pain (тактовую кнопку = clock button??) and my Russian language skills are faded to almost zero.
Anybody willing to help translate and get in touch with the thread starter?

I have asked Simon about using attiny25, 380mAm amc7135 chips, OTC and bleeder resistor. He seemed interested in why would that be a more desirable driver. Maybe if enough people ask for it, he may order such changes from his supplier

FWIW, I added thermal regulation to Crescendo recently, and it runs pretty well on a tiny25-based driver (tested in a S2+ w/ triple XP-G2 and FET+1). Simon is welcome to use it if he wants, but I think he’ll probably stick with Biscotti for now. The code may be ready, but changing the driver hardware is a difficult and expensive task for him. Maybe someday he can switch to a 7+1 driver with tiny25, or even a FET+1.

Not everyone likes ramping, but most seem to… and it eliminates all the fussing about with mode groups, mode order, etc. However, it may be a bit less muggle-friendly since it’s not what traditional flashlights do. In particular, booting directly into ramp mode may be a bit confusing at first since it requires another tap to stop it at the desired level. So that may need some adjustments… Maybe enable a “noob mode” by default, where ramping automatically exits to steady mode whenever it hits the 1x7135 level? That might make it more friendly for someone who knows nothing at all about it.

Careful about those 380mA chips. They tend to behave badly at the far low end, so it could eliminate moon mode.

OTC and tiny25 would allow Bistro to run, and allow short/med/long button presses, but OTC isn’t required for Crescendo.

A bleeder resistor is a must-have with a lighted tailcap, but it also reduces runtime for the moon and low modes.

What I’d like to see Convoy do is:

  • new 3-Amp driver:
    • attiny25v
    • 7x380mA 7135 chips (pin 6) (or 3x380mA for 1-sided boards)
    • 1x350mA 7135 (pin 5)
    • OTC (pin 2)
  • add a bleeder resistor and clear/white rubber boot or stop using lighted tailcaps (lighted tail is mostly pointless with a metal switch)
  • new firmware — choice of bistro or crescendo

The 380mA chips are totally optional though; people won’t generally notice a difference between 2.8A and 3.0A, and having two types of 7135 chips complicates production.

To get really fancy, Simon could even try to use a “smart” lighted tailcap board instead of a plastic washer. I can make those change color based on cell voltage. But that again complicates things quite a bit and I’m not sure it would fit in the S2+ so I doubt it’ll happen.

My ideal driver is about what you described, but your technical details are more refined :smiley:

Crescendo is not a firmware for me, but I grew favouritism for bistro simple modes + hidden blinkies (bat check is cool)

I don’t care for elaborate illuminated tail caps, but I like the idea of them, and being easy to find the flashlight in the dark

As for the S2+ itself, I finally took my triple, my single and my c8 for a spin at a real world use, and boy do I love the smooth reflector, it’s the beam for camping. The c8 is cool but in this scenario the hotspot is too narrow. Also, the S2+ triple is weird in the outdoors, the beam is so evenly spread it’s “unnatural”. The tints, on the other hand, are all great, nichias are now officially my favourites (4000k on the triple, 5000k on the single and c8).

I was thinking about doing the same with my Convoy clip when it eventually arrives in the mail. Does it still fits nicely on the flashlight, or does the heat-shrink tubing make the clip too wide to fit in the groove?

Hum, it fits well in the groove, yes! :+1:
Be sure that you use a tube size that is not too large or leaving much space inside the tube. Also, careful with the amount of heat and watch the tips of the clip.
After putting the tube and heat-shrinked it, I had to add a bit more of tube in each tip, because on the first placement it slightly ruptured in the inner part and the metal was at sight and eventually scratching the host.
So far I’ve done it for my S2+ tan and another light I modded, but I’ll probably do it for the other S2+ because the clip gets more “grippy” in the body of the light, it does not slide so easily!

:+1:

Yes, that is confusing. Ramping is fine, but IMO it makes sense only with electronic switches.

Thanks for letting me know. It appears to be a good solution to prevent scratching the flashlight.

A bit off-topic, but may I ask Toykeeper, what do you create the UI flowcharts with? Visio, Illustrator, or some other such software? In any case, they are very well done imho. I have been using Visio recently and your UI graphics catch my eye whenever I see one.

Inkscape.

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E-switch, tact switch, tact button :slight_smile:

Just add a thermoresistor to a standard x*AMC7135 driver, make 2 cuts and solder 2 wires. Thermoresistor is not needed if you dont want use thermocontrol.

The layout turns out so:

Pin 2 - 2 AMC
Pin 5 - 1 AMC
Pin 6 - all other AMCs

This allows you to turn on any number of AMC on modes above 350 mA and to get rid of the PWM. On modes below 350 mA used PWM from 1 AMC on pin 5. Frequency of PWM now is 9.6 kHz.

This layout is considered “standard” for most firmwares from Fonarevka.ru.

I think that the firmware like Bistro, Babka and similar will work on such a modified driver with a minimum of code alterations. I hope Toykeeper interested in this modification the driver. Ready to work as a tester :slight_smile:

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Can’t wait new Convoy to swap driver and make exellent flashlight :wink:

^ it already is an excellent flashlight. Not everyone wants an automated step down!

Is the code available? I looked at the thread but I only saw .hex files, no sources.

(BTW, for staying sort of on topic, it might be better to discuss this in the firmware thread linked in my signature)