I certainly don’t hate Tesla as a car, but the taxpayer’s are funding the first $7k credit from the Feds and more from some States which does bother me. Not to mention Tesla owners don’t pay any road taxes which is collected by cents per gallon at the gas pump. Not sure this company could stand on it’s own without subsidies.
edit… must have been typing at the same time as manithree
Unless I’m reading it wrong, Sweden still uses 27% fossil fuel as of 2016. Probably a little less now.
btw, tax system in my country is real pain in the @ss, a car’s price in my country is normal 2.5x or triple higher than many other countries(japan, us, EU, etc)
Came to see the thread - found pretty much what I expected 
For Teslas running on fossil electricity: large fossilplants are AFAIK still quite clean if you don’t include co2 emissions compared to petrol/diesel cars.
Green energy has yet to make progress as manithree said (and for loooong time will not, I might add) but take a look at nuclear electricity production.
When the “environmentalists” stop fighting nuclear power, and maybe after some innovation and improvement, then nuclear power will catch on, then I’ll buy an electric car. Or my kids will.
I don’t know where those figures originate, maybe they count cars/trucks (yes, they still predominantly burn gas/diesel here too).
The only use of fossil fuels for production of electricity in Sweden is emergency power, and it is very marginal (4 TWh/year) of the total production (cirka 150 TWh/year).
Check a better source here:
The sources on Trending Economics come from the Swedish Government based on gross national product and total energy consumption. So, yes, kind of difficult to build and maintain nuke, solar, hydro, or wind plants without using fossil fuels, not to mention massive number of batteries to store energy. But, Sweden is certainly ahead of most everyone else with clean(er) energy.
Exactly…
Technology is doing quite good (see breeder reactors, thorium reactors) but to build is in most cases politically impossible for the reason you mentioned. 
I thought France and Germany were working towards getting rid of the nuclear power reactors in light of the Fukushima disaster?
True, but 27% of the energy sounds too high to make sense.
Yes out with nuclear its old rubbish! Germany has already turned of most of its NPP but will phase them all out by 2022. France will phase them all out by 25% by 2025 i think? I can understand France even though i do not agree with NPP but seeing as they reprocess so much fuel at Avera they have to use it some where.
Avera is going bankrupt they are being kept alive the French government. Even Toshiba is going broke from nuclear power and Toshiba made such good hard drives but they had to sell that department to pay for its Westinghouse division.
So much fossil fuel energy goes into processing the nuclear fuel its crazy to say it has zero carbon footprint not to mention building the plants them selves is much harder and more complex then a coal power plant.
My big beef with electric cars is, what if I want to drive across country? Where are the charging stations, and how long to I have to wait before I can continue my trip? How long will the batteries last before they need to be replaced? And what will the cost be? The technology is still in it’s infancy stage and I’m not willing to be a guinea pig.
So no, I’ll probably never buy an electric car.
I had to edit my post due to miss spelling “infancy ”
Don’t worry about a thing lol.
Chris, you are one funny guy!
Only if Elon guarantees that in the fullness of time, I can be buried in the car.
On Mars.
1. Non fossil electricity is starting to make a dent in large scale production so I think you are wrong there, but even if you’re right, you are ignoring the fact that emissions mitigation is much more efficient and easier to maintain and monitor at energy production facilities than it is at the tailpipe of millions of cars. There are losses associated with distribution and charging electric cars, but I don’t believe that they make up all the problems with gasoline car emissions even clean gas cars are not clean compared to what can be done at a power plant, and over time most cars are getting worse and worse, and emissions test standards are very lax. Our system for trying to keep cars running clean is just not very effective.
2. I have no doubt that there is some truth with what you say here about crony capitalism, but you have a couple of misconceptions here as well… 1. the model three is nowhere near a $200k car, and it’s actually very competitive in price with similar gas cars. 2. Tax incentives are limited in number. For the model 3 all tax incentives are spoken for already if you get on the wait list you will NOT be getting a tax incentive.
3. Electric cars kick ass. We are only starting to see their potential, but we have a luxury sedan here that’s beating down corvettes and Lamborghini. The instant torque available from electric motors is advantage that is nearly impossible for a gas car to overcome. Our future sports cars will have electric drive trains there is no question about that.
It would be very interesting to see an actual poll on this subject here instead of this stupid circle jerk poll btw. Perhaps the creator of the poll is afraid of what response he might get from a real poll.
The technology is right there, it is the regulations and logistics that are in its infancy stage.
I think my country: Turkey is the worst.
Ford Mustang
$27.500 in USA
EUR 38.000 in Germany
EUR 119.512 in Turkey = 
%206 tax LOL
And a citizen who earns minimum wage can buy that;
15 months in USA
25 months in Germany
350 months in Taxland
And 1 liter benzin is $1.45 Even though we have borders with Syria, Iraq (these are petrol exporters)
I would write some more about my beautiful country but I got enough rude points for talking politics.
The U.S. Energy Information Administration agrees with me. Hydro is still the largest renewable energy source, and it’s tiny.
And emission mitigation and clean coal might someday be a reality. But they’re mostly dreams at this point.
Thank you soo much for clearing up my misconceptions. Here I was thinking the number of $30k Tesla 3’s actually sold was zero. Thanks for setting me straight. And, silly me, I thought Tesla had also gotten billions in subsidies to build battery factories, and hundreds of millions in federal loans. Oh wait, they have.
I never made a claim that Tesla performance is poor. And I suspect the 3, if/when it comes to market will be the top of its class.
Performance is a great reason to buy a Tesla. And, maybe someday Tesla can actually make money selling cars, and they’ll actually be good for the environment. But very few technologies ever live up to the initial hype, and that’s the phase electric cars are in now. So, I’m waiting to see.
Since you didn’t bother to read that this thread is a response to the circlejerking started in this thread, I’ll try to point it out without rude, condescending tone you seem to favor. But I might not succeed.