Tesla Model 3 - are you buying?

Exactly…
Technology is doing quite good (see breeder reactors, thorium reactors) but to build is in most cases politically impossible for the reason you mentioned. :frowning:

I thought France and Germany were working towards getting rid of the nuclear power reactors in light of the Fukushima disaster?

True, but 27% of the energy sounds too high to make sense.

Yes out with nuclear its old rubbish! Germany has already turned of most of its NPP but will phase them all out by 2022. France will phase them all out by 25% by 2025 i think? I can understand France even though i do not agree with NPP but seeing as they reprocess so much fuel at Avera they have to use it some where.

Avera is going bankrupt they are being kept alive the French government. Even Toshiba is going broke from nuclear power and Toshiba made such good hard drives but they had to sell that department to pay for its Westinghouse division.

So much fossil fuel energy goes into processing the nuclear fuel its crazy to say it has zero carbon footprint not to mention building the plants them selves is much harder and more complex then a coal power plant.

My big beef with electric cars is, what if I want to drive across country? Where are the charging stations, and how long to I have to wait before I can continue my trip? How long will the batteries last before they need to be replaced? And what will the cost be? The technology is still in it’s infancy stage and I’m not willing to be a guinea pig.
So no, I’ll probably never buy an electric car.

I had to edit my post due to miss spelling “infancy ”

Don’t worry about a thing lol.

Chris, you are one funny guy!

Only if Elon guarantees that in the fullness of time, I can be buried in the car.
On Mars.

1. Non fossil electricity is starting to make a dent in large scale production so I think you are wrong there, but even if you’re right, you are ignoring the fact that emissions mitigation is much more efficient and easier to maintain and monitor at energy production facilities than it is at the tailpipe of millions of cars. There are losses associated with distribution and charging electric cars, but I don’t believe that they make up all the problems with gasoline car emissions even clean gas cars are not clean compared to what can be done at a power plant, and over time most cars are getting worse and worse, and emissions test standards are very lax. Our system for trying to keep cars running clean is just not very effective.

2. I have no doubt that there is some truth with what you say here about crony capitalism, but you have a couple of misconceptions here as well… 1. the model three is nowhere near a $200k car, and it’s actually very competitive in price with similar gas cars. 2. Tax incentives are limited in number. For the model 3 all tax incentives are spoken for already if you get on the wait list you will NOT be getting a tax incentive.

3. Electric cars kick ass. We are only starting to see their potential, but we have a luxury sedan here that’s beating down corvettes and Lamborghini. The instant torque available from electric motors is advantage that is nearly impossible for a gas car to overcome. Our future sports cars will have electric drive trains there is no question about that.

It would be very interesting to see an actual poll on this subject here instead of this stupid circle jerk poll btw. Perhaps the creator of the poll is afraid of what response he might get from a real poll.

The technology is right there, it is the regulations and logistics that are in its infancy stage.

:laughing:

I think my country: Turkey is the worst.

Ford Mustang
$27.500 in USA
EUR 38.000 in Germany
EUR 119.512 in Turkey = :slight_smile: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: %206 tax :slight_smile: LOL

And a citizen who earns minimum wage can buy that;
15 months in USA
25 months in Germany
350 months in Taxland

And 1 liter benzin is $1.45 :slight_smile: Even though we have borders with Syria, Iraq (these are petrol exporters)

I would write some more about my beautiful country but I got enough rude points for talking politics.

The U.S. Energy Information Administration agrees with me. Hydro is still the largest renewable energy source, and it’s tiny.

And emission mitigation and clean coal might someday be a reality. But they’re mostly dreams at this point.

Thank you soo much for clearing up my misconceptions. Here I was thinking the number of $30k Tesla 3’s actually sold was zero. Thanks for setting me straight. And, silly me, I thought Tesla had also gotten billions in subsidies to build battery factories, and hundreds of millions in federal loans. Oh wait, they have.

I never made a claim that Tesla performance is poor. And I suspect the 3, if/when it comes to market will be the top of its class.

Performance is a great reason to buy a Tesla. And, maybe someday Tesla can actually make money selling cars, and they’ll actually be good for the environment. But very few technologies ever live up to the initial hype, and that’s the phase electric cars are in now. So, I’m waiting to see.

Since you didn’t bother to read that this thread is a response to the circlejerking started in this thread, I’ll try to point it out without rude, condescending tone you seem to favor. But I might not succeed.

also… I believe Tesla gets 7 carbon credits per model S/X sold and at $5K per credit,
that’s $35K per vehicle.

That said, I currently own (actually lease) 2 EVs and neither is a Tesla.

...Cherry pick much? the total renewables are about 15% from your own source... this is definitely more than a dent..

California (where a large portion of electric and hybrid cars are used) has achieved up to 80% of its power from renewable sources California breaks energy record with 80% of state's power generated using renewable methods

Fair enough thanks for not being condescending /s

We are kind of beyond that phase at this point. Tesla is producing excellent automobiles Made in the USA which perform at the top of their class. Hybrids like the prius consistently crank out 200K to 300K miles with very little problems while getting 40MPG the whole time. Every Automobile manufacturer on the planet other than a few niche makers are moving full steam into electrics. We are way beyond the hype phase for sure.

I don't see any explanation of that in this thread nor did I see the original poll. Now that I have....I find your poll Hilarious...sorry

I dont hate them either, but electic cars in a world economy based on oil in a world awash with oil, personally can see electric cars being just a short lived novelty, till something truly better than the internal combustion engine comes along.
Electric cars,they didn’t really catch on 100 years ago, didn’t pan out then, cant see them panning out now with the ice cars still around and governments love of hydrocarbon taxes

O and the fact that no ones ever gone to war over electricity :wink:

I don’t hate electric cars either. I think the tech is cool as heck. I’m not a car guy, so I don’t care how they perform, but the self-driving stuff is extremely interesting.

Something will come along that will be profitable (electric cars aren’t even close yet), and better for the environment. Might be Tesla’s electric cars, might be another company’s fuel cells, or even hydrogen. They all have hurdles to overcome, and I’m excited to see which one(s) win. But I’ll save my money for now because I don’t really want to pay the price to be an early adopter.

It must be going back over 10 years as it was a comparison we looked at when I was studying, but did anyone see the report out of the U.S. that was comparing the most environmentally cars? (Vague, I know!) I can’t even remember who conducted the report or who funded it.

Basically it compared 10 or so vehicles from “cradle to grave” and all the resources involved in making, running and recycling an e.o.l. vehicle. Despite its far high fuel consumption the Jeep Wrangler was the winner and was more environmentally friendly than hybrid cars because it was so simple and resource efficient in both building and recycling. The mining of rare minerals and other resources used for creation, and the special handling of toxic materials for recycling made the hybrids far less friendly than advertised.

I wonder if a similar study exists for current model cars?

To the person who marked this poll as rude, lewd, or conflictive...

Why?

I mean, what is your reasoning?

(I'm at a loss here.)

Personally I don’t hate electric cars. Until 1902 all land speed records for cars were set by electric cars.
But those cars suffered from the same issue as the current electric cars: (lack of) extension cords.
I live next to a big city (USA-members: hahaha) with an environmental zone, so I would love an E-car just for shopping.

But I hate it when I have to make reservations for a regular car with the E-car dealer, to allow me to go on holidays.
Last (short) holiday I drove 400 mile in my compact diesel (I know) and I was there in time to enjoy a nice afternoon.
In an E-car it would have cost me 3 days. Or 24 hours if I skipped sleeping. And several adapters (4 different countries).
So I will drive my compact car until it is time to surrender it to recycling. Maybe I can buy a practical E-car by that time.

@fuzun: I live across an unmanned gasstation belonging to a budget-chain. Here 1 litre will set you back $1.78
Well sort of. It is the amount in dollars PP wil give me for €1.539