Talk about future projects and donation topic

Yes that small OTR clone with charging is doubled in price now
It arrived
Nice tint, way more easy to operate then the Olight it clones, both switch presses easier and a simple click for next mode had my preference over Olights click and hold. Cell indicator. Charging seems OK, the cell has no branding, measure 644mAh and lowest IR I saw was 69.
I like it, it is a little bit bigger then the Olight.
For the same price I would still go for this one and not get the Olight.
Clip is good.

A BLF special with nice UI should have some more zing to it IMHO. But not a lot of room to work with, both space and price doesnā€™t allow that.

Hum, I wouldnā€™t have go to the Olight (pricyā€¦) if I could get the features I wanted most in the Jaxmnve or the OTR M3 (direct access to moonlight and turbo, ā€œrealā€ moonlight, and electronic lockout). As I couldnā€™t get all this in those lights, and I canā€™t flash or replace drivers (on those lights), I ā€œhadā€ to go to the Olight :person_facepalming:

BTW, can you confirm the modes of the Jaxmnve, please?

About zing you mean other different specs, worthy of being a BLF special? Yeah, I tottaly agree with you!!
My words above were only in the way to have some basis for a small light like this.
In this or another thread, ToyKeeper talked about making a shorter FW3A (FW1A) and I agreed due to the size and the good specs of the FW3A. Making a ā€œFW1Aā€, for me, would be awesome.

This was a project I found the other day while searching for 18350 lights. Also, Iā€™m not saying these are good, but maybe it can be an inspiration :wink: Future is open!!! :slight_smile:
As far as I perceived, these were part of a kicstarter project that eventually end up ā€œin nothingā€, but canā€™t be sure on that.

and
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1817932181/helioslight-1100-lumen-keychain-titanium-flashligh

Just checked the price in AE App, and it is on the 11,14ā‚¬ :open_mouth:
I guess the price on the website is the one that doubles, but in the App it is the price we first seen! :wink:

ah then it is lowered again, I saw it high in the app as well
I charged 3 cells with it. And it stops charging at 4.19V, neat.

Oh, ok! Yesterday I saw it only in the website, but its good to have dropped again!!
Nice charging then, not over or undercharged! That is tempting :smiling_imp:
Can you confirm the UI, please?
Thank you for the info :wink:

EDIT: That was tempting, so tempting that I ended up ordering today :person_facepalming: Now, the quest for 1 or 2 niceā€™butā€™budget 16340 cells!!! :money_mouth_face:

MED HIGH BLINK memory
Yes not very nice :wink:

How is the overall build quality as far as using that as a $12 host?

Iā€™m tempted to buy one so I can put one of Lexels TA drivers running Narsil in it.

Do you know what size driver it has or what size mcpcb?

There was a topic this little light came up in
Tomorrow I will quote the posts about it there so we can remove it from this topic OK?

And here you go: Clone of On The Road M3 ~$13

Yeah, i think a S MINI sized light (16340) would be awesome.
The Olight is just too expensive for me, but i love the concept: as small as possible.

Not sure how good idea it is really, butā€¦
Ledil Seanna A is an Fresnel + precollimator optic. It has ~150 mm diameter and costs $30 when buying 1, closer to $20 at volume.
If we ripped the lenses, removing enclosure it may get down to $20/piece. Being Ledil, it should work much better than cheap Fresnels.

Now, this is an interesting base for a big zoomie. Iā€™ll call it Z. :slight_smile:
Initial sketch:

BLF GT-like shape (itā€™s rough, but the major dimensions are correct) on top.
Seanna without mounting screws on bottom left, Z zoomed out bottom middle, Z zoomed in bottom right.

7p 21700 battery pack. You can use any number of batteries, but the light will surely have balance issues with too few (and may still have with full set :frowning: ).
The pack should be quickly-replaceable.
With a boost driver it wouldnā€™t fall out of regulation too soon.

XHP35 LED. Z would be a really nice base for Luminus CFT-90, but:

  • probably wouldnā€™t sustain it at full output without active cooling
  • the LED costs much more
  • the driver would cost more too
  • overall it would easily double the light price to get a nicer hotspot and somewhat better performance.

Note: I draw it here with no glass lens in front of Fresnel, just like Ledil does. Bezel size is the same (quite small) too.

Overall, similar performance to GT; should be better, but not much.
Similar price?
Otherwise - a completely different light.

Nice idea, but the costs will be very high (probably >=400:money_mouth_face:.
The CFT-90 will stomp the XHP-35HI, but the energy demand will require lots batteries.

I estimated the costs to be well under $200ā€¦but I am totally green here. Could you explain why does it have to be over twice as costly as GT?

The CFT90 alone costs over $100ā€¦

Oh, you meant the variant with this LED. Yes, very expensiveā€¦

Any chance to see a reflective collar in a BLF flashlight?
I see that Waiven held a patent on it. Itā€™s so generic that I donā€™t think it can be sensibly worked around.
From what Iā€™ve read, Waiven stopped communicating with the world. So:

  • thereā€™s no way to buy collars from them
  • thereā€™s no way to license the patents from them
  • they may not even exist and the patents may have changed hands
  • the patent wonā€™t expire for long (from memory 2028).

So I have 3 questions:

  • Is the above assessment correct or have I missed something?
  • The patent system is broken so much that it doesnā€™t let us find the current patent owner, does it?
  • Is it possible to do without a patent license? Is there any real risk for a Chinese manufacturer? If yes, any chance of finding a manufacturer who wonā€™t be scared off?

What is it your talking about? A reflective collar? Iā€™ve never heard of this.

Wavien collar, search BLF Jason
Agro, ooh patents are such a difficult topic idk if it is worth burning our fingers on.

JasonWW, search on ā€œwavienā€ at BLF and elsewhere.

Lemme try, I donā€™t know much: the idea is to surround an emitter with a mirror that sends some otherwise lost photons back to further energize the phosphor.

If anyone can find prior art for the general idea, that would be good to have publicized.

Okay, Iā€™ve seen those before. That seems useful only for an extreme thrower. We already have the GT.

1. That is useful for any thrower regardless of size. What I find the most appealing is zoomie that fits in pants pocket, but puts 800 lm in a 500 kcd hotspot. With SST-40. (Though I have some unsolved problems with it, thatā€™s why you havenā€™t seen me mentioning it here).
2. Frankly, I think that flat LED itself is a prior art (assuming itā€™s earlier than the patent). The flat silicon-air boundary reflects more of side-facing light back to the die, further energizing it. But even if it is indeed prior art or we find another one, patent invalidation is very hard and costly.