Generic AAA flashlight variants?

I would be surprised if the 5 lumens did not last 15 hours with a new alkaline battery. I ran my lumentop worm at 3 lumens out for 31 hours on a 750mAhr eneloop. At the current required for 5 lumens (likely around 50mA, maybe less) the alkaline is good for 1000mAhr or so.

15 hours with an alkaline? I don’t think so. Even theoretically 1000mAh from an alkaline could run a 50mA (0.16W) LED for only 9 hours and that too only if the boost converter(or Joule thief) inside the flashlight is super efficient. I don’t think the circuitry in cheap flashlights could achieve such results.

As a matter of fact the converter draws a lot of current to maintain stable output voltage and this current draw will substantially reduce the alkaline’s capacity (alkalines can’t handle high current draw) which will in turn cause the alkaline’s voltage to drop rapidly because of it’s chemistry. With an eneloop you could basically get better result because the capacity of LSD NiMH cells are not seriously reduced with higher current draw unlike alkalines and also eneloops maintain a stable voltage output unlike alkalines.

What’s actually happening is the cheap converter is giving less current and the LED will run longer although with a reduced light output. :slight_smile:

Maybe you are correct. I made my assessment based on data I have taken with flashlights I own. My Manker E01 ( a sort of cheap flashlight, but not as cheap as those above) draws 73 mA at 1.3V input to deliver 7 lumens with a Nichia 291B emitter. My Lumintop worm (even less cheap) draws 26mA at 1.3V to deliver 3 lumens with a Nichia 291B emitter. I use 1.3V as the alkaline starts at 1.5V or better, and decays during the discharge to 1V or less. I have tracked the discharge of an alkaline at rather low currents (5-10mA) over a 17 day period so I have some idea of how they perform. I don’t think the performance is significantly different in terms of the discharge curve at the currents I am talking about.

I rationalized that a 5 lumen device could consume 50mA, and with a 1000mA battery 20 hours is possible. 15 seemed easy. But I have not tested any current draws on the cheap lights mentioned above, so my numbers could be all wrong for that case. Not sure of the math you used to determine a 1000mAh battery can provide 50mA for only 9 hours though. Take a look at this: Test of Duracell Plus Power AAA
For 0.1A discharge, the battery lasts 9.5 hours to 1.0V. I think you would agree for a 50mA discharge, the duration would be at least 2x if not more, as alkalines do better at lower currents.

You own decent branded flashlights which probably has really good and efficient circuitry and can provide good runtimes with consistent output. Mine is a cheap generic rebranded one.

:smiley: My bad here. I mistakenly calculated for a 50mA LED current draw instead of using device current draw. You are absolutely correct here.

Thanks for AAA discharge tests link. You can clearly see that the capacity of an alakaline (duracell) is 1000mAh at 100mA draw whereas it’s 500mAh at 1000mA draw. The capacity of Alakaline is heavily depending on it’s current draw. Eneloops fares better at higher current draws.

However the capacity in our flashlights won’t be affected due to low current draws, so yes you are correct once again that alkalines will perform better in these low power flashlights. Only on current draws above 300-500mA will eneloops be a better choice than alkalines.

So it is indeed possible for these flashlights to give 15-20 hour runtimes, that is if the circuitry is efficient. Have a look at this video and you can see that a poorly designed one can be very very inefficient as well.

I enjoyed the video, thanks for sharing!

You’re right!
It’s a nice looking little flashlight, and I would buy it too (@Decathlon) but I don’t want to pay it 8/9 euro… :frowning:

I bought it because in my country I don’t get any major branded ones. Fenix, Nitecore, Thorfire etc all are sold at double or sometimes triple their actual price because of import duty and other tariffs.

However if you really like it you can buy the same from other sources like I mentioned because this is just a rebranded flashlight. The original one may only cost half of what it the Geonaute one costs.

Interestingly, I have owned the Rayovac pictured above, grabbed it from Walmart many years ago. Used a standard 5mm LED with a collaminating lens, and was dimmer than the similar penlight model they sold at that time. Fairly blue tint as well, though maybe they have changed in the last 5 years or so.

Maybe so, the head and tail of rayovac looks quite different. I have an old generic 3xAAA flashlight that has 9x 5mm standard LEDs with a blue tinted beam and this Geonaute throws more than half the brightness that old one gives sans the blue tint. So I guess this single 5mm strawhat LED used is an improved version.

Here’s the pics of the LED and the beam shot at 1 feet from wall (took using a crappy cellphone camera)

I also thought of mentioning the tiny knurlings/grip all around it’s body. Dunno if Rayovac or GP has them, couldn’t make out from the web images so please confirm. Feels damn so good in hands. :smiley:

Edit: just noticed it now, The head and tail section looks slightly different from advertised picture. Also logo is different.

managed to find a beamshot of the rayovac from an amazon review. Courtesy of “NLee the Engineer ”

Wow, that Amazon picture is quite the find. The penlight on the right is the one I was referring to, was tinted bluer than the other but had a clicky switch as opposed to the twisty of the other Rayovac. Obviously, the one you own does not have a Cree LED, just a generic 5mm. A similar type was in the Rayovacs. That “Knurling” you speak of is from the milling process, and is actually quite common on the cheapo penlights you can buy on ebay, commonly sold under the “Skywolfeye” name.

Are you looking for a good small AAA torch?

You mean this one ?

Yepp, I do know that it’s no Cree. Actually it’s GP that advertises Cree LED, although Cree does make em 5mm LEDs I don’t think GP ever uses Cree LEDs.

I am looking for a small AAA light/lantern/beacon with color LEDs. If you do know anything good please tell me. So far I looked at Fenix CL05 but I don’t like it’s design, Glotoob seems fine but I guess I need lights to shine upwards, Thorfire KL02 I like the design but don’t want CR123 same with Fenix CL09. Nitecore LA10 looks good but I want a AAA version. I don’t want to fit a diffuser onto a torch.

I bought the same one from Decathlon a few years ago and it died (bricked, can’t even run it using an external power source contacting the terminals in the head).

I believe EDC lights must be extremely reliable so I then got myself an LD01 and haven’t looked back since.

These lights are large enough to be AA lights and dim enough to be incan Maglite Solitaires. :stuck_out_tongue:

Oh crap… I just bought another one a week ago. :person_facepalming:

I was planing to buy Darkvim SK-C30 but then Decathlon reduced the price by 50% so I went for that one instead.

There’s a code currently on gearbest for the lumintop tool at 9.99 USD. Code is ToolAAA. Buy a handful and you’re set for years. XP-G and Nichia 219, both. :wink:

Sorry for straying offtopic, just noticed you’re from India. Which part?

I’m sorry I dont like the design of that light very much. I need something plain and simple, like nitecore AAA series, but I heard their build quality is not that good which is why I never bought them.

Kerala, where are you from? :slight_smile:

Coimbatore, etta. :slight_smile:

very near, anna :slight_smile:

Aha, do ping when passing by/visiting. PM’ing you contact details.

Cheers!

My favorite EDC shirt pocket lights ( I have 2 w/different leds) is a modified Hugsby XP1. Decent little light for $9, even completely stock.
I got mine from this seller on Amazon both times, and received what I believe to be TRUE Hugsby lights.
https://www.amazon.com/docooler-Flashlight-Pocket-Torch-Switch/dp/B00NV6FDLG

I tried a couple of the cheap $2-3 ones, and they are different inside the head. Have yet to mod one of those successfully. Ruined one, one in the wife’s purse, and on on my desk for cleaning the insides of my pc. (pet hair gets everywhere :person_facepalming: )

Price goes up after mods of course. 12mm fet drivers , with a de-domed xp-g2 in one and currently a xp-l2 in the other. A 10440 doesn’t seem to push hard enough to get them crazy hot too fast (never have checked tail current). I haven’t timed either, but I have them around ~2 minutes turbo timer. Makes a good hand warmer by the time it steps down, but far from too hot to hold.

Cant say I am fond of the xp-l2 in this light though. It is getting swapped to a xp-g3 probably this weekend. We’ll see what I think of that one for a shirt pocket light.

Jim