UPDATE! “Report on”: Convoy S2+ Mini with 1*7135 chip (Beamshot Comparison)

Hi MascaratumB. Can you give more info on the switch in your mini S2? It appears the tail is the same as a normal blue/red/green S2, but without the metal switch. Is the hole threaded? Did Simon just stick a small rubber tail cap in it?

I’ve been wanting to buy a non-grey/black S2+ host and stick in a color matching lighted switch in it, but I want to do it with a white rubber tail cap. Looks like this may be a way to do it.

So, in the name of the “flashlight science”, I was messing with the S2+ Mini I received.
It had a 3*7135 Biscotti driver, and I wanted to test how low the lowest mode would go, meaning, I modded it and extracted 2 chips. Current driver situation is 1*7135.

I made some beamshots still with 3 chips and after taking the 2 chips out. I present you the results below.

S2+ Mini (1*7135 + XPL-HI U6-4C + Pebbled TIR) >>>> S2+ Mini (3*7135 + XPL-HI U6-4C + Pebbled TIR) >>>> S2+ Desert Tan (8*7135 + XPL-HI U6-3A + SMO Reflector)

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S2+ Mini (1*7135 + XPL-HI U6-4C)
Pebbled TIR >>>> SMO Reflector >>>> OP Reflector

On the lowest mode (0,1%)
S2+ Mini (3*7135) >>>> S2+ Desert Tan (8*7135) ||||| S2+ Mini (1*7135) >>>> S2+ Desert Tan (8*7135)

S2+ Mini (1*7135 + TIR) >>Nitefox UT20 >> Zanflare F1 >> S2+ Desert Tan >> S2+ XML2 U2-1A >> S2+ XML2 T6-4C

And my final conclusion is… even with 1*7135 chip, the lowest mode (0,1%) is still brighter than some moonlight modes of flashlights like the Zanflare F1 or the Nitefox UT20 (especially when using the SMO or OP reflectors instead of the TIR lens).

I would compare it with other lights with “true” moonlight modes (Jetbeam RRT-01 or a modded light with Reylight Pineapple Brass driver), but those are the lowest output lights I have (firefly level), so I don’t think they are useful for this comparison.

When comparing it with 3 Convoy lights with Biscotti drivers with 8*7135 chips, this Convoy S2+ Mini doesn’t get a 0,1% mode higher than the ones of the other S2+, but the “Mini’s” level isn’t much below them (either using OP or SMO reflector or even Pebbled TIR lens).

With 1*7135 and/or with 3*7135 chips it is a light with a very low output on the lowest and nice output on the highest modes, very useful for indoor and/or outdoor at close range.

Hi Neutral Fan!
The switch that Simon put on this light is a “regular” forward clicky switch. I asked him to install a transparent rubber tailcap, and he did that without the inner rubber part (for pressing the switch) as the forward clicky is taller than the reverse clicky switches we normally get on Convoy lights.

The tail hole is not threaded as this is not one of the “colour” or Desert Tan or Clear (silver) versions. It has the regular size of a Black or Grey Convoy S2+. This host is the specific 16340/18350 version.
Also, I don’t know if the gray 18650 tube matches the colour of this version as this seems a mix of gray and blue, not so gray as the “long version”.

BTW, this works well with 16340s and at least the unprotected Keeppower and Aspire 18350 cells.

A simple opinion and taste: I like a lot this host and the combination with the transparent tailcap! So a lighted switch will fit perfectly :wink:

Thanks for the info. So does that mean Simon will make a green/blue/red S2+ host with the gray/black specifications if you ask?

U welcome :wink: Well, I guess that if it is possible for him, maybe he can do that! I paid extra money for the things I wanted (forward switch and XPL-HI LED, as the “stock” versions use XML2), but I didn’t mind that. The only thing I missed was the AR coated lens.

My guess - my - is that the only thing he can’t do is to put metal buttons on the black / gray and mini versions. Switches, LEDs, Tailcap, Driver, Lens…those are all “moddable”, even if it implies paying some extra money.

Contact him before ordering to make sure he can do what you want, and after he replies, if needed he adjusts the value and proceeds with your order :wink:

Sorry, but I’m still a little confused.

The blue S2+ only comes with a metal switch, but you got one with a rubber switch. It seems Simon made the flashlight tail special for your build. From what you have described, it looks like he took a tail specified for a gray/black S2+ and anodized it blue.

Also, looking at your tail/switch photo above, it appears the switch is smaller/taller than the normal Omten 1288 switch that come in a rubber switch S2+. Maybe it’s just how it looks in the picture.

Would you mind taking some measurements/pictures of the tail?

Sorry NeutralFan, I may have confused you about the colours!
This is the blue version: 17.42€ |Convoy S2 + blau XML2 U2 1A EDC LED Taschenlampe, taschenlampe, laterne, selbstverteidigung, camping licht, lampe, für fahrrad, geschenk für jungs|convoy s2|led flashlightxml2 u2-1a - AliExpress

An this is the version I bought: Page Not Found - Aliexpress.com

These are different lights! The 1st is the one with metal switch and is completely blue! The 2nd is a regular Convoy S2+ with rubber switch! This 2nd version colour is a mix of gray and blue, but it is NOT the blue S2+ indicated on the 1st link.

Also, the white one is a reverse clicky switch that normally comes with the S2+, the black one is the forward clicky switch that I asked Simon to install on my flashlight.

About the rubber tailcap, the one used on this flashlight is the one on the left, with the interior rubber piece cut, so that the taller forward clicky could accomodate more easily.

About the tail size, it it has exactly the same measures of the black S2+ Convoys! There are no differences in measures :wink:

Sorry for having confused you and maybe other members :person_facepalming:

Interesting, since it appears the mini S2+ that you got looks blue, not at all gray.

Thanks for clarifying.

You’re welcome :wink:
Yup, it seems to be mostly blue, either on photos or “live”. But it is, indeed, different from the “blue version”.
Wish I had a grey version to compare with just to match the differences!

BTW, about the coloured versions (red, green, blue and Desert Tan) my guess is that you can take the metal button out and put in a transparent rubber tailcap with a lighted switch.
From these, I only have the DT version and I don’t want to mess with the black metal button - which I like a lot - but I guess that a rubber cap will fit nicely even if the hole is narrower. There are narrower transparent tailcaps on Kaidomain if you wanna check on those :wink:

Hey, I ordered that 10pak of FC switches from Simon, intending to try to shoehorn one into a ’502, C8, etc.

Do you know if these’d more or less drop into an S2+? Metal switch and/or rubber-boot?

Right now, I just wanna do something that doesn’t require major surgery…

Currently Simon is selling 2 kinds of forward swicth:
1 - 2.96€ |Taschenlampe vorwärts schalter|switch flashlight|switch fittingflashlight remote - AliExpress

2 - 2.94€ |Spezielle taschenlampe schalter 125V 10A, vorwärts schalter|flashlight switch|switch switchswitch 10a - AliExpress

The first one is similar to the black one I showed before, while the second one seems to have a similar shape/size of the reverse clickies.

The 1rst one doesn’t fit well on metal button Convoys (well, at least not in Desert Tan version). I tried it before receiving the S2+ Mini, and it doesn’t work. On regular S2+, it fits well but you have to use an adequate rubber tailcap, meaning, probably you’ll have to cut the small piece of rubber inside the tailcap (see image above).

A month ago I ordered 2 reverse switches with PCB and spring, and 2 forward switches (no PCB, no spring). I “un-soldered” the RC, and soldered the FC on the PCB. It works fine and didn’t took many time to make this “surgery” :wink:
As I said, to use it better, please note that the rubber tailcap is important!

Yah, this one. Think that was the only kind he had in stock at the time. Figured it was cheap enough to gamble on trying to shoehorn in one of ’em.

Wellp, I got a couple of those 7buk blue/gray/whatever S2+es with the 1B emitter. Uggo green tailcap, but I can try to swap it later for a black one. Just wanted to see if it’d work. :smiley:

Yeah, that’s what I was hoping to do. Just a quick swap, no drilling, filing, dremelling, etc.

Kewl. If I get adventurous, I might try it on a metal switch later.

Hum, he started to sell the smallest ones some weeks ago only! I’ll get a bunch of the to use with other drivers I’m intending to get meanwhile, as the Biscotti with several modes configured isn’t going to work well!

Yuuck, those green caps are really…not nice :stuck_out_tongue: Orange fits better, but black and white/transparent are the best. Simon also sells them and they are better than the ones from Kaidomain (which are more “tough” to press).

The soldering of the FC on the PCB is doable. Mine didn’t went as I wanted, but it works fine!
The smaller (newer) FC seem to fit well on the S2+ with metal buttons due to its height! :wink:

Get adventurous :smiling_imp: I know that it is not consensual, but the metal button from the Desert Tan…is pretty nice for me :wink:

Hmm, I might have to grab some of the smaller switches, then.

Thanks for this thread, been wondering about 1×7135 myself!!

Are there any premade lighted tail switches available, like ones where i wouldn’t have to mess with getting the resistance right?

Also i’ve heard some compatibility issues with biscotti firmware and lighted tailcaps, can anyone elaborate on this please?

Don’t mean to derail the thread but it seems like a question that would help others that have asked about the tailswitches too.

Thanks for confirming this.

I have a Convoy S2+ Desert Sand 7135x6 U6-3A (Biscotti, with the ‘too fast’ timing) and also Convoy C8 Clear XP-L Hi 7135x8 (1A tint; Biscotti normal). Also had an Astrolux S1 (BLF A6) 3D tint to compare with.

I notice that the moon mode of the Astrolux S1 is indeed dimmer than the lowest mode (0.1%) of either the Convoy S2+ and Convoy C8.

But when I compared the lowest Biscotti modes (0.1) of the S2+ (7135x6, XPL Hi) and the C8 (7135x8, XPL Hi), I have the same observation — it’s almost the same brightness, or the S2+ 7135x6 is even very slightly brighter than the C8 7135x8. So it looks like the Biscotti’s lowest 0.1 mode is not really a true moon mode, even with less chips.

Yea, my Sand S2+ lowest mode is im guessing 2-3 lumens. It’s a touch brighter than my MH20 “moon mode” which is stated as 1 lumen but has been tested by others to be around 2 lumens.

Hey, thanks :wink:
About the lighted tailswitch, Simon from Convoy has them. I think that Banggood has some lighted tailcaps as well, and they may fit the S2+!

BUT, as you said, there are compatibility issues between the Biscotti and the lighted tailcaps! Some things are say on the S2+ Tan thread, from here on: Convoy S2+ Desert Tan Available Now! - #944 by Jack_Kellar

Don’t know how much it helps, but it may be a start!

Yup, differences are not much visible from 1 to 6/8 * 7135 chips! It is a nice mode, but not a true “moon” or “firefly” mode. Maybe it would need some optimization to get a bit lower, IDK!
Despite that, with 1 chip + TIR and/or diffuser, it is a nice “candle” for bedside using! I’ve been using it sometimes to not bling myself while falling asleep or if I get up during the night :wink:

Thanks for the direction!!! :+1:
And ANYTHING helps!!!

Glad it did :wink: