i would recommend 18650 over anything, they have higher energy density
21700 batteries look promising, but quite hard to find
Thanks mrheosuper for reply. I couldn’t find 18650 batteries in large capacities, around 5AH.
By saying “higher energy density”, do you mean compard to battery size and volume? If so, I have no problem in fitting 6x 26650 batteries in the housing of my project.
The Liitokala 5000 mah cyan and black cells tested extremely well. They deliver far more amperage than you are asking for but the pricing is very good.
https://www.gearbest.com/batteries/pp_663613.html?wid=21&lkid=11244387
there is a code on:
every once in a while you can find codes from Trevi and Fin for under $10 a set of 2.
I think you mean a 3P2S configuration. I would go for 18650 cell’s. Which gives 3*3500mAh = 10500 mAh.
If that is not enough (considering the voltage drop while depleting) think about a 4P2S configuration.
That is a lot of cell’s. Ever thought about a solar panel?
@wstrachan, thank you.
Yes 3P2S, thanks, it was a typo, I edited it. 10500mAH would give me around 10 months. Economic-wise, 18650 batteries are usually the same price as 26650 and sometimes even higher (looking on Amazon) and have lower capacity. I can go for 4P2S, but the cost for batteries would increase compared to 3P2S of 26650; and still battery capacity would not be as high as 26650. I’m quite interested to know why 18650 batteries are suggested over 26650? Is it related to their depletion curve (voltage drop)? Does it mean that 26650 cannot withstand such long time?
Yes, thanks for mentioning. I have thought about solar panel already, and I’m going to use it as well. But, for some places that there is no access to sun light, I have to rely on batteries only. For other places, I can use solar panels.
no, it’s all about energy/volume, the 26650 is 2 times bigger( more than 2 times, since v=r^2*pi*h), but the capacity is only about 1.5 times higher than highest capacity of 18650(3500 mah vs 5500 mah)
I would be very careful buying 26650s from Amazon unless they are name brand (I see Imalent there often) and still no guarantee of authenticity. Most cells advertised there have ridiculous claims of mAh and deliver a very poor product.
As far as I know the Shockli 5500 mAh are the dominating 26650 cells on pretty much all aspects: Test/review of Shockli IMR26650 5500mAh (Black) 2017
@ @ mrheosuper, @ wstrachan, Mike C,
Thank you all.
in 18650 range, which one would you recommend me that has a large capacity and is performing well? Do you recommend Panasonic NCR18650B Protected 3400mAh?
For 18650: Samsung, Sony and Panasonic are all good. Have a look in this list at Mountain Electronics: 16650 - 18650
He doesn’t sell crappy cells, so any 3500 mAh cell he has listed will be a decent one.
Thanks a lot Mike C, and all other people who replied and helped me. Such an active and great community
If you are in the US, I’d recommend buying batteries from Illumn, IMR Batteries, or Liionwholesale. Amazon has issues with counterfeits from 3rd party sellers due to their awful inventory mixing (one shady seller uses counterfeits, and they can get mixed in with other sellers’ items) that affects a bunch of items - lithium ion batteries, SD cards, and basically any item that has a standardized form factor. These sellers are more reliable.
18650 batteries are recommended because they take up ~48% of the volume of a 26650, but the best (3500 mAh) have about 64% of the capacity of the best 26650 (5500 mAh). This means you can fit more capacity in the same amount of space.
The Sanyo NCR18650GA, Samsung INR18650-35E, Sony US18650VC7, and LG INR18650MJ1 are all very similar in capacity (~3500 mAh). A “protected” cell adds an extra circuit that protects the cell against over-discharge and a few other things that wouldn’t be relevant in this application. Those circuits are added by another company, such as KeepPower. Like this is the Sanyo NCR18650GA with a protection circuit added and rebranded by KeepPower.
If you want to search for a protected version of those cells, try searching “protected insert model name” without the brand.
Otherwise, if total size isn’t a huge concern, a lower capacity cell like the Samsung INR18650-30Q (3000 mAh) might provide more mAh per dollar spent. But you would need more total cells to reach the same capacity.
edit: Mountain Electronics and Orbtronic are other good sellers.
double edit: If you need the protection circuit, and max current doesn’t seem to be an issue at all for this application, the Protected Panasonic NCR18650B might be the best bang for the buck. Under $7 each (plus shipping) at Liion Wholesale when you factor in the wholesale discount. Looks like the protected NCR18650GA usually goes for at least $8.50.
Samsung, Sanyo and Panasonic in 18650 would be my only choices, Sony lean more to high out put over high capacity. Not only do you have higher energy density, but much better quality. Your cell are going to be a closer match to each other and have probably a much lower self discharge rate.
Does anyone know the typical parasitic drain caused by the protection circuit of a protected battery? The protection circuit itself is an electronic circuit, and thus is going to place a certain (hopefully incredibly small) drain on the battery, but I haven’t been able to find any measurements of this.
In the flashlight world, we are normally concerned with a drain in the hundred of milliamps to multiple amp range causing a low voltage situation in hours or minutes, thus making this parasitic drain irrelevant. But in this application, where the load is only a few milliamps, a small parasitic drain could be an issue.
@@ Delta_V, texas shooter,
Thanks you guys for tips.
I’m not in the US, and I’m not sure if those sellers can ship to Denmark. I have to ask them or find a local shop, else I have to look on Amazon.
Btw, Can I use protected batteries with solar cells directly (without using a charging board like TP4056 ), since they have a built-in protection circuit already? Samsung INR18650-35E 3500mAh Protected Button Top has protection for charge/discharge cutoff voltage.” “:http://www.mtnelectronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_88&product_id=921
Check out Nkon
I think they are the preferred battery place for people in the EU. Somebody can correct me if I’m wrong.
I don’t know a whole lot about charging via solar cells, but I don’t think I’d put a battery in direct connection with a power source. Even if it’s a protected battery, I still wouldn’t want that little protection circuit to be the only line of defense against a potentially dangerous situation.
Nkon = :+1:
3*18650 is way less efficient in terms of capacity/volume than 26650. I did some calculations that included 1.5 mm thick battery tube and Shockli 26650 gets roughly 0.14 mAh/mm^3 while 3*18650 only 0.11 mAh/mm^3.
For comparison 1*18650 gets 0.15 mAh/mm^3, just like 21700.
In this calculation I use the real capacity measured by HKJ on low currents: 5900 mAh (5500 mAh is specced and measured at high current).
And I used the best real capacity of 18650 cells: 3400 mAh.
Shockli is most likely the top dog, though I can’t help but mention that there were no independent tests other than that of HKJ….and the HKJ one was made on Shockli-supplied cell which may have been sherry-picked.
There is suspicion that Liitokala 26650-55A may be the same cell as Shockli, but there’s no confirmation.
There are also 6000 mAh Keeppower UH2660. Frankly, I consider them the safest bet, but I don’t know any source for them….
I ordered Shockli recently and if you want the best I suggest that you do the same. Or wait for my test. 
EDIT: This helped me spot errors in my spreadsheet, I corrected the numbers above.
There has been a limited inquiry of (middle) long term discharge of batteries in this forum, in this thread .
That’s because the 3x18650 configuration has to account for the empty space between cells, while a single 26650 only has the volume of the cell. If you look at a 6x26650 configuration like the OP mentioned, where the 26650s also have empty space between them, and compare it to a 9x or 10x18660 arrangement, and I suspect the 18650s will come out ahead.
edit: back of napkin math gives 0.166 mAh/mm^3 for 9 18650s arranged in a grid configuration. 6 26650s in a 2x3 arrangement yields 0.125 mAh/mm^3. These is in a grid arrangement, which is less space efficient than staggered cells, but that would involve more complicated math that I don’t feel like trying to do on my phone. Regardless, the percentage gained from staggering should be similar regardless of size.
double edit: This is of course dependent on how the OP would arrange the cells in their application. It is certainly possible that fewer, larger cells would be more practical than a larger number of smaller ones. For instance, if the batteries are laid horizontally and vertical “depth” isn’t a huge concern, that could create a situation where 26650 cells are more efficient than the equivalent number of 18650s.