Now that’s interesting. It would have the surface luminosity of about XHP35 HI E2 with much higher output. And be available in 3/6V.
The quad array is wide, wider than a XP-L Hi, which already looks less nice through these optics than XP-G or even better XP-E. On top of that, the middle part of a TIR is a plain lens, so on top of a donut you may even see a vague cross 
Im my suppose leds will flow so much light away tirs enter that light will burn the optics very fast.
I looked on the carclo website and it seems the led has been tested with the common 10mm optics. It doesn’t work well with the tighter optics but on the 10508 it seems to make a good beam with decent efficiency. I guess three or four of these combined under a medium spot optic would make for an extremely efficient high cri flooder. link
Well, speculation is all fine, and you all know what your talking about… But I wonder if someone has actually done it. If not I’d be happy to give it a go.
Aha, cool. Thanks for posting. I see that the 10623 is the quad equivalent. I understand that most would want these LEDs for throw, but I’m more interested in the high CRI and output combination.
Interestingly, 10508 offers tighter beam and higher cd than 10507. Still extremely floody though.
There is no sense to put these in small triples/quads, first emitting surface is larger than tir holes, which would probably cause optics melting at high power, second Luxeon V has similar output up to ~8-9Amps(and is 2x cheaper), this LED is better than Luxeon V only if you want to drive it at 9+ Amps. Mz can be considered as approx.two undomed Lux Vs in parallel. It's available in 3/6/12V.
DTP boards should arrive in 2weeks, I have one 3V 5000K 80CRI and two 3V 5700K 90CRI LEDs for testing, I'll try to put one in M1 host to see how beam and output looks. If there is enough interest I'll maybe buy one T-bin 5000K 70CRI reel. 3V 5700K 90CRI is available at mouser (unknown bin as usual with large distributors).
Yeah, I guess they are pretty big… but I still got me some ideas :smiling_imp:
BTW, looking at Lumileds website I just saw Luxeon F Plus:
https://www.lumileds.com/products/automotive-lighting/luxeon-f
Looks like it could potentially beat the Blackie…
- much lower thermal resistance
- more efficient
- individual bins are orderable
- similar die size
ADDED: There’s alu DTP SinkPad for that: http://www.sinkpad.com/inner-product.php?id=31
And not to forget, Osram has announced the Oslon Compact PL series, which does exactly the same, with very smilar footprint.
The thermal pad of the Luxeon F is tiny though. Also, the Luxeon Z ES doesn’t get quite as high as other LEDs with a 2mm^2 die. In my eyes it would be surprising if this LED surpasses the Black Flat HWQP.
This LED looks like a great way to get a lot of light from a single cell light. I did not know about it. I guess the non standard footprint has kept it from seeing more use by flashlight modders.
Nice LED for pebbled TIR optics. :+1:
The use of XP boards is possible, though. I’m own a flashlight with the MZ already.
But this LED was called ‘power hungry’ to get 2800 lumens of high CRI light, which is true in some point.
Because that there are not much boost driver or compact modding hosts for multi battery use out there the needed amperage is a problem indeed because the current is way too high which ‘traditional’ drivers for single battery can handle. In my JAXMAN M8 the Luxeon MZ is powered by the A17DD_L and the FET gets really! hot at Turbo (approx. 13 Amps with more than 100 deg C on FET!) which should lowers it’s lifetime rapidly.
For building a triple I would recommend the 12 V variant of the MZ (LMZ9-SW57) and a hypothetical high power buck/boost driver with 4S battery config. Because of the needed diffusor or matte optic bigger reflectors of the also bigger host would also increase the throw.
I just ordered a couple of the 3V 70cri type from digikey. I’m thinking it might work well in an EE X6 maybe with ledil iris TIR.
Good luck with the triple tricky reflow! :innocent: 
I think that will make a great light!
Do you have any throw numbers from the testing you’ve done?
Soon I'll make few builds, but theoretically light with this led (T bin) should have ~2 times the throw of domed XM-L2 or domed XP-L in same reflector at close to max. power (14-15Amps).