The FW3A a TLF BLF special elegant triple powerful flashlight

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Tixx wrote:
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cabfrank wrote:
So this will have lightning and candle blinkies? Is party strobe the one that makes movements look slow motion, and will this have that too?

Yes.

Tixx wrote:
I like the blink at moon because the Crescendo UI ramps down and up without stopping.

I’ve been meaning to change that, actually… do you think Crescendo should stop at the ends of the ramp? After spending more time on other ramping UIs, I’ve found it’s nice having it stop on its own.

On the FW3A, at least, the plan is for the ramp to stop at both ends. To turn around, release the button and hold it again.

Yes, stopping would be good in my opinion.

+1 here, about Crescendo! And sorry for off-topic!
I’ve been using Crescendo firmware for the last few days and I find it “strange” to reach the bottom/top and then continue to ramp on the opposite direction. Stopping on the top or bottom thresholds would be nice Blushing

It will not be the case of the FW3A, of course! And so far I’m finding this Anduril UI incredible (only by seeing the diagram) Thumbs Up

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Bonham wrote:
Tried 6 times from off. Just played with my Q8 and I had to remove the batteries again…

An elderly man can not remember how many times 4-5-6 he has to click on a flashlight mode.

Ah, you flashed the latest Anduril onto a Q8?

If a light is meant to be owned permanently by someone who needs an extra-simple interface, this might not be a good light for them. It’s meant more for enthusiasts, and muggle mode is intended for the occasions when someone else needs to borrow a light for a few hours or less.

For permanent muggle use I’d suggest something with significantly less power so it won’t be prone to starting fires. Probably something with a built-in charger too. Olight S1R or S20R might be a good option.

However, if it helps, the FW3A can be reflashed with something simpler. There are a few other UIs available already, including an Olight clone. And a simple UI is reasonably simple to make, if anyone wants a muggle-only firmware.

It really depends on the recipient. I’ve known people close to a century old who were sharp as a tack, who could figure out a complex UI with no manual, then use it with ease. I’ve also known people who were totally lost even on simple interfaces, no matter how much others tried to help explain it. In stock form, the FW3A won’t be appropriate for the latter. But it does at least have a short-term use mode that the latter should be okay with.

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ToyKeeper wrote:

As a reminder, the options are: (where in the ramp to blink)

  • A. Floor 
  • B. ~150 lm, level 65/150 
  • C. ~1000 lm, level 130/150 (highest regulated level)
  • D. Ceiling

B, C, & D Please

 

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ToyKeeper wrote:

  • C. ~1000 lm, level
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    Sorry for my bad English
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    Hello!
    Id like to be put down for one flashlight, thanks!
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    Thanks, TK. Amazing.

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    one for me thank you

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    This looks like a cool light. Though how does this differentiate itself from say, a Jaxman E2L other than 100 more lumens?

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    sovereignknight wrote:
    This looks like a cool light. Though how does this differentiate itself from say, a Jaxman E2L other than 100 more lumens?

    Smaller, e-switch + advanced UI, way more than 100 lumens diff unless u mean modded E2L, built for a clip, and the run time should be better than a comparably priced light if it’s 3 channels.

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    contactcr wrote:
    sovereignknight wrote:
    This looks like a cool light. Though how does this differentiate itself from say, a Jaxman E2L other than 100 more lumens?

    Smaller, e-switch + advanced UI, way more than 100 lumens diff unless u mean modded E2L, built for a clip, and the run time should be better than a comparably priced light if it’s 3 channels.

    Well then, I think I’d be interested in two of them at the $30.00 ea price range!

    Put me on the list for two please!

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    sovereignknight wrote:
    Though how does this differentiate itself from say, a Jaxman E2L

    Jaxman E2L
    size = Convoy S2

    Sorry for my bad English
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    sovereignknight wrote:
    This looks like a cool light. Though how does this differentiate itself from say, a Jaxman E2L other than 100 more lumens?
    Did you mean 100 lumens or 2100 lumens? Try this:
    ToyKeeper wrote:
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    What are the projected modes and runtimes for this baby? I could be interested if it has anything in the 30lumens/60-70hrs runtime.

    It has smooth ramping… so it has every brightness level from ~0.1 lm to ~3000 lm, and it has every runtime from ~20 minutes to ~80 days.

    My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

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    JasonWW wrote:
    sovereignknight wrote:
    This looks like a cool light. Though how does this differentiate itself from say, a Jaxman E2L other than 100 more lumens?
    Did you mean 100 lumens or 2100 lumens? Try this:
    ToyKeeper wrote:
    MountainKing wrote:
    What are the projected modes and runtimes for this baby? I could be interested if it has anything in the 30lumens/60-70hrs runtime.

    It has smooth ramping… so it has every brightness level from ~0.1 lm to ~3000 lm, and it has every runtime from ~20 minutes to ~80 days.

    Is there some rough computation guide for lumens to runtime (let’s assume the battery is a 3000mAh 18650 like an LG HG2 or INR18650-30Q)?
    (eg. 3A ~ 1000 lumens? so that’s about 1 hour if can continuously run at that current; but how about for the other approximation of current to lumens)

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    d_t_a wrote:
    Is there some rough computation guide for lumens to runtime (let’s assume the battery is a 3000mAh 18650 like an LG HG2 or INR18650-30Q)?

    I’ve been meaning to make a table for that… and there’s no time like the present.

    This is only an estimate, generated by plugging the firmware’s PWM values into a script with some guesses about the power draw and lumen output… but it should give people a rough idea what to expect.

    All 150 ramp levels with a 3000 mAh cell:

      1:    0.2 lm,     2 mA, 74 days
      2:    0.2 lm,     2 mA, 74 days
      3:    0.8 lm,     3 mA, 41 days
      4:    0.8 lm,     3 mA, 41 days
      5:    1.5 lm,     4 mA, 28 days
      6:    1.5 lm,     4 mA, 28 days
      7:    2.1 lm,     7 mA, 17 days
      8:    2.1 lm,     7 mA, 17 days
      9:    2.7 lm,     9 mA, 14 days
     10:    3.3 lm,    10 mA, 12 days
     11:    4.0 lm,    11 mA, 11 days
     12:    4.6 lm,    13 mA, 10 days
     13:    5.2 lm,    14 mA, 9 days
     14:    5.9 lm,    16 mA, 8 days
     15:    7.1 lm,    18 mA, 7 days
     16:    7.7 lm,    22 mA, 6 days
     17:    8.4 lm,    24 mA, 5 days
     18:    9.0 lm,    25 mA, 5 days
     19:   10.3 lm,    28 mA, 5 days
     20:   11.5 lm,    30 mA, 4 days
     21:   12.2 lm,    32 mA, 94 hours
     22:   13.4 lm,    35 mA, 87 hours
     23:   14.7 lm,    37 mA, 80 hours
     24:   15.9 lm,    40 mA, 75 hours
     25:   17.8 lm,    44 mA, 68 hours
     26:   19.1 lm,    47 mA, 64 hours
     27:   21.0 lm,    51 mA, 59 hours
     28:   22.2 lm,    54 mA, 56 hours
     29:   24.1 lm,    58 mA, 52 hours
     30:   26.0 lm,    62 mA, 48 hours
     31:   27.9 lm,    66 mA, 45 hours
     32:   29.8 lm,    70 mA, 43 hours
     33:   31.7 lm,    74 mA, 40 hours
     34:   34.2 lm,    80 mA, 38 hours
     35:   36.7 lm,    85 mA, 35 hours
     36:   38.6 lm,    90 mA, 33 hours
     37:   41.1 lm,    95 mA, 32 hours
     38:   43.6 lm,   101 mA, 30 hours
     39:   46.8 lm,   107 mA, 28 hours
     40:   49.3 lm,   113 mA, 27 hours
     41:   52.4 lm,   120 mA, 25 hours
     42:   55.6 lm,   127 mA, 24 hours
     43:   58.1 lm,   132 mA, 23 hours
     44:   61.9 lm,   140 mA, 21 hours
     45:   65.0 lm,   147 mA, 20 hours
     46:   68.8 lm,   156 mA, 19 hours
     47:   71.9 lm,   162 mA, 18 hours
     48:   75.7 lm,   171 mA, 18 hours
     49:   79.5 lm,   179 mA, 17 hours
     50:   83.9 lm,   189 mA, 16 hours
     51:   87.6 lm,   197 mA, 15 hours
     52:   92.1 lm,   206 mA, 15 hours
     53:   96.5 lm,   216 mA, 14 hours
     54:  100.9 lm,   226 mA, 13 hours
     55:  105.3 lm,   235 mA, 13 hours
     56:  110.3 lm,   246 mA, 12 hours
     57:  115.3 lm,   257 mA, 12 hours
     58:  120.4 lm,   268 mA, 11 hours
     59:  125.4 lm,   279 mA, 11 hours
     60:  131.1 lm,   292 mA, 10 hours
     61:  136.1 lm,   303 mA, 10 hours
     62:  141.8 lm,   315 mA, 10 hours
     63:  148.0 lm,   329 mA, 9 hours
     64:  153.7 lm,   341 mA, 9 hours
     65:  160.0 lm,   355 mA, 8 hours
     66:  164.7 lm,   370 mA, 8 hours
     67:  172.1 lm,   389 mA, 8 hours
     68:  179.5 lm,   408 mA, 7 hours
     69:  186.9 lm,   427 mA, 7 hours
     70:  194.3 lm,   447 mA, 7 hours
     71:  205.4 lm,   476 mA, 6 hours
     72:  212.8 lm,   495 mA, 6 hours
     73:  220.1 lm,   514 mA, 6 hours
     74:  227.5 lm,   533 mA, 6 hours
     75:  238.6 lm,   562 mA, 5 hours
     76:  246.0 lm,   581 mA, 5 hours
     77:  253.4 lm,   596 mA, 5 hours
     78:  264.5 lm,   625 mA, 5 hours
     79:  271.9 lm,   644 mA, 5 hours
     80:  283.0 lm,   673 mA, 4 hours
     81:  294.1 lm,   702 mA, 4 hours
     82:  301.5 lm,   721 mA, 4 hours
     83:  312.6 lm,   750 mA, 4 hours
     84:  323.7 lm,   779 mA, 231 minutes
     85:  334.8 lm,   807 mA, 223 minutes
     86:  345.8 lm,   836 mA, 215 minutes
     87:  356.9 lm,   865 mA, 208 minutes
     88:  368.0 lm,   894 mA, 201 minutes
     89:  379.1 lm,   923 mA, 195 minutes
     90:  393.9 lm,   961 mA, 187 minutes
     91:  405.0 lm,   990 mA, 182 minutes
     92:  416.1 lm,  1019 mA, 177 minutes
     93:  430.9 lm,  1058 mA, 170 minutes
     94:  442.0 lm,  1087 mA, 166 minutes
     95:  456.7 lm,  1125 mA, 160 minutes
     96:  471.5 lm,  1164 mA, 155 minutes
     97:  482.6 lm,  1192 mA, 151 minutes
     98:  497.4 lm,  1231 mA, 146 minutes
     99:  512.2 lm,  1269 mA, 142 minutes
    100:  527.0 lm,  1308 mA, 138 minutes
    101:  541.8 lm,  1346 mA, 134 minutes
    102:  556.6 lm,  1385 mA, 130 minutes
    103:  571.4 lm,  1423 mA, 126 minutes
    104:  586.1 lm,  1462 mA, 123 minutes
    105:  604.6 lm,  1510 mA, 119 minutes
    106:  619.4 lm,  1549 mA, 116 minutes
    107:  637.9 lm,  1597 mA, 113 minutes
    108:  652.7 lm,  1635 mA, 110 minutes
    109:  671.2 lm,  1683 mA, 107 minutes
    110:  686.0 lm,  1722 mA, 105 minutes
    111:  704.4 lm,  1770 mA, 102 minutes
    112:  722.9 lm,  1818 mA, 99 minutes
    113:  741.4 lm,  1866 mA, 96 minutes
    114:  759.9 lm,  1914 mA, 94 minutes
    115:  778.4 lm,  1963 mA, 92 minutes
    116:  796.9 lm,  2011 mA, 90 minutes
    117:  819.0 lm,  2068 mA, 87 minutes
    118:  837.5 lm,  2117 mA, 85 minutes
    119:  856.0 lm,  2165 mA, 83 minutes
    120:  878.2 lm,  2222 mA, 81 minutes
    121:  900.4 lm,  2280 mA, 79 minutes
    122:  918.9 lm,  2328 mA, 77 minutes
    123:  941.0 lm,  2386 mA, 75 minutes
    124:  963.2 lm,  2444 mA, 74 minutes
    125:  985.4 lm,  2502 mA, 72 minutes
    126: 1007.6 lm,  2559 mA, 70 minutes
    127: 1029.8 lm,  2617 mA, 69 minutes
    128: 1055.6 lm,  2684 mA, 67 minutes
    129: 1077.8 lm,  2742 mA, 66 minutes
    130: 1100.0 lm,  2800 mA, 64 minutes
    131: 1157.9 lm,  3053 mA, 59 minutes
    132: 1239.9 lm,  3451 mA, 52 minutes
    133: 1329.4 lm,  3886 mA, 46 minutes
    134: 1418.9 lm,  4320 mA, 42 minutes
    135: 1508.4 lm,  4755 mA, 38 minutes
    136: 1597.9 lm,  5190 mA, 35 minutes
    137: 1687.4 lm,  5625 mA, 32 minutes
    138: 1776.9 lm,  6059 mA, 30 minutes
    139: 1873.9 lm,  6530 mA, 28 minutes
    140: 1970.8 lm,  7001 mA, 26 minutes
    141: 2067.8 lm,  7472 mA, 24 minutes
    142: 2164.7 lm,  7943 mA, 23 minutes
    143: 2269.1 lm,  8450 mA, 21 minutes
    144: 2366.1 lm,  8921 mA, 20 minutes
    145: 2470.5 lm,  9428 mA, 19 minutes
    146: 2574.9 lm,  9935 mA, 18 minutes
    147: 2679.3 lm, 10442 mA, 17 minutes
    148: 2783.7 lm, 10949 mA, 16 minutes
    149: 2888.1 lm, 11457 mA, 16 minutes
    150: 3000.0 lm, 12000 mA, 15 minutes
    
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    C and D would be the most practical imo.

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    I’m using the latest Anduril on my 11,000 + lumen Q8 and I LOVE it!

    Blinks at the default positions works well for me, the 4 SST40’s can go VERY low on the ramp floor (too low!) and the candle light fix is superb! I find the lowest setting on candle to be the most realistic with my diffuser in place (and some tint correction via Lee filter to bring the SST40’s in line)

    Ramping is ultra smooth and quick enough to not be a drag, still easy enough to select a desired level of output.

    If one has memory issue to the point of not being able to use firmware like this, I’d venture to say use of Li-ion cell powered lights should be discontinued… my memory is as fallible as most anyone’s and even I can set this up and use it without much trouble. (some of the lesser used features give me problems at times, but of course that’s what the UI diagram is for)

    Love it TK, thank you SO much! Love

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    That table! Wow! Afraid my lights might exceed the maximum current draws by a wee bit… Blushing

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    Thanks for compiling the table, ToyKeeper! Thumbs Up

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    DB Custom wrote:
    That table! Wow! Afraid my lights might exceed the maximum current draws by a wee bit… Blushing

    WOW indeed, power but also dirty amounts of runtime for example as a nightlight Thumbs Up

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    1 for me, thanks.

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    This little light should be really handy for general EDC use, but with the benefit of some power up top when needed. Of course, it won’t run long at Turbo levels in a light this small as heat will become a paramount issue, but it’s really nice to have it there when you need it and TK gives us the ability to set a ramp ceiling at a nice usable level with a quick double click going to Turbo for that on-occasion need of a blast of light. That really makes it a great application in my opinion, I use the ramp ceiling at around 60-75% such that a double click really steps it up, this lets me easily control power drain for the best EDC capability to date. Wink

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    Sign me up for one please!

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    Count me in for one please!

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    I didn’t have the graph earlier, but here’s how the latest thermal test looked.

    This started adjusting from the highest current-regulated level, which measured about 1100 lumens or close to 3 Amps. Output stabilized at about 7 minutes. I haven’t tested it on full FET yet, but I suspect it will probably need some changes in the response curves to make it react faster.

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    Wow TK,the UI looks amazing. Thanks for the table and graph. Great work. Looking forward to playing with the light and using it as my EDC.

    "Keep On Luxing" © and "May The Lumin Be With You" © (by my very self)

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    Pepinfaxera, can you put me down for a second light please.
    Thank you

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    ToyKeeper wrote:
    I didn’t have the graph earlier, but here’s how the latest thermal test looked.

    This started adjusting from the highest current-regulated level, which measured about 1100 lumens or close to 3 Amps. Output stabilized at about 7 minutes. I haven’t tested it on full FET yet, but I suspect it will probably need some changes in the response curves to make it react faster.


    Do you know at what temp about it stabilized at?
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    Pulsar wrote:
    Do you know at what temp about it stabilized at?

    For testing purposes, I set the limit intentionally pretty low. I was aiming for a stable level of about 200-400 lumens, and … that’s what I got. I think I told it that the ambient temperature was 20 C, and set the limit to 43 C, but I don’t remember exactly.

    I wanted it to exceed the limit pretty easily and then step down somewhere slightly above the 1×7135 level. I could have set the limit much higher, but that makes the regulation problem easier to solve… and I wanted to see how it behaved on a harder setting.

    Next I need to do full FET testing, since it’s the next step up in difficulty.

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    Looks like it worked as intended. Be interesting to see what it would do around 55c limit. What can the components tolerate? Typically up around 100c right?

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    I expect that turbo will overshoot the temperature limit before the light can settle to a stable level, so I wouldn’t put the limit too close to the hardware’s maximum tolerance.

    The thermal sensor is inside the tiny85, which doesn’t have a great thermal path to the emitters. The measurements lag behind by quite a bit, so the response is lagged too. It tries to compensate for this by guessing where the temperature will be in the future, but that doesn’t entirely eliminate the problem. So the actual temperature goes higher than the limit at first, if the power is turned up high enough.

    The firmware won’t allow a limit higher than 70 C… but it lets the user calibrate the sensor, so it’s not very hard to bypass that limit.

    On a related note, that could potentially save a bunch of button presses while configuring things. If you tell it room temperature is 1 click (1 C), and then set the limit to only 1 click (30 C + 1), it’ll effectively have the same results as if you set room temperature to 20 C and the limit to 50 C. But the tempcheck mode will display numbers about 20 C too low.

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