imaplent dt70 and dt35, why no one mention anything here

So, what is the word on the DT70? Are there later batch version that are more reliable? It's one of the lights I have been eyeing for quite some time now and I am still thinking of getting one. From what I hear, it is a gamble though if we get a dud.

I haven’t heard anything about these lights in months. I know they updated the disc springs to coil springs in the DT70 and DT35.

So I should ask the sellers if they have the updated version with coil springs then. From what I read, turbo mode does not last very long at all before stepping down to 2800lm so that is something I should consider too. I also have to ask myself how bright before a flashlight is bright enough! I'm still amazed at my L6 and really, that should be enough light for anything I would ever need other than showing really.

I don’t think this is necessary because they stopped selling the old ones and all the current ones use springs. This change was several months ago. I guess you could verify it if you wanted to.

I usually buy lights of ebay and make them an offer for a good deal, but you just never know what the sellers are selling so I may as well ask them. I got two Nitecore EA81's for a real steal on ebay and they are top notch.

Why do you want it when there are better lights out there for a cheaper price?

Any recommendations? My Q8 should be coming soon, but I need one lummen monster just for show off purposes on special occasions

The Astrolux MF01 at $80 is quite impressive. I think the xpg2 version measures 12k to 13k lumen. The best part is if the driver fails, it can be replaced by an aftermarket Texas_Ace fet driver running NarsilM from Lexel which boosts output to about 18k lumen! The Nichia version is a few thousand less lumen on turbo but thats because it’s not as efficient.

The big difference between the MF01 and the DT70 is the beam shape since the MF01 uses tir lenses and has less bright spill lighting.

Haikelite also just had a Group Buy on their new MT09R which is a reflector style light using 3 x 70.2 and a Texas_Ace based driver with ramping. It’s not using NarsilM, but it’s similar. These put out 15k and were costing $125.

Thanks Jason, I'll have a look at them all and see what looks good. Appreciate the help on this!

I was hoping for lights that could use protected batteries. Had a look at the Astrolux MF01 before but specs clearly state unprotected batteries but it really looks good.

You would need to swap to different springs in the carrier to fit longer cells. Some people have done that to fit protected cells. Maybe cutting them shorter would work? You just need to reduce their collapsed height.

Keep in mind this light draws a lot of amps so you need good cells with protection circuitry that can handle at least 5A to 6A 10A each.

Are you sure about this? I thought max current was more like 9A or so.

Edit: nah, quick calculation resulted in closer to 6A. (I used to calculate using specified 12000 lumens, now I took 9000 lumens for 219C, which results in this difference)

Let me think. Lexel tested 16A, but I believe that was at 8v, right? It’s a 2S2P battery carrier. So with 2 cells that’s 16A each. 4 cells would be 8A each.

Yeah, I was wrong earlier. I was thinking 4A each and 5A to 6A to give some overhead. Now I see it’s double that. So you would want protection circuitry that can do about 10A per cell.

So probably the GA or MJ1 from Liion Wholesale or the GA from MTN Electronics. There’s not too many protected cells that can do 10A.

Oh, that would be nice to know - do you have any indications?

Because when I think of the DT70, I see a 16 klm-flashlight at GB for something around 150 bucks including batteries… and I see no alternatives…

Just look at my next post. #114.

BTW, I think it was actually closer to 13k lumen and not the advertised 16k. It’s been a while since I’ve read a review, though.

Ah, sorry, this slipped thru my fingers.

So this was something I tried before:

Based on this I would not call the MF01 “better” - it’s different and will not go as far as the DT70. And as written, based on the actual prices it’s also not cheaper…

I don’t know if your trolling me or if you’re being serious.

Firstly, the DT70 sells for about $170 and the MF01 about $80. So…

Secondly, the MF01 is rated at 450 meters throw. The DT70 is rated at 700 meters. I don’t know why those pictures show them looking so similar in throw. Either the DT70 is weaker than it should be or the MF01 is stronger than it should be.

If you are looking for a light based on throw, there are better options.

Do you really not understand the beam characteristics between the tir and reflector?

If not, I will try to summarize. The TIR gives you weaker spill lighting, but a stronger hotspot. Typically the hot spot is larger in diameter than a reflector. By the same token, a reflector based light is going to give a stronger amount of spill lighting and a more focused hotspot. This typically equates to a longer throw distance. The pictures you posted show this to be true. Look closely and you can see that the MF01 has a hotspot about twice the diameter than the DT70.

Going back to why I said the MF01 was “better” is mainly because of price and their similar lumen output. I do point out that they have different beam characteristics so you have to keep that in mind and choose what’s best for your needs.

I know you like to argue with people and I don’t want to get caught up in a back and forth situation with you. I was merely suggesting some better alternatives (in my opinion) to the DT70 for klrman. You don’t have to listen to me. I’m no authority, I’m just trying to help.

Firstly, “serious” is my middle name - so do not fear me trolling or so. I just want to learn.

I thought you had a “real” alternative for me - because I do not see the MF01 as an “alternative”. For me it’s just another flashlight with fairly different spex.

- pricely based I can only judge from my point of view - I have a code at GB for the DT70 including batteries for 154,99 Dollar. For the MF01 I just get the list price as 109,95 without batteries… so if you got something for me, it would be highly appreciated (I still look for the Nichia-Version).

- regarding the throw it really depends on the monitor - on my old DELL I can also see nearly no difference, but on the ASUS ROG the difference is much more visible. So regarding weaker / stronger it will somehow get nearer, you are right.

What I am looking for is something like an allrounder:

- distance like the TN40, but without the stupid formed spill

- the UI of the K60 was great - I am about to try the K65

  • the RT70 might also be interesting in the future

I thought I found what I search in the MT09R with XHP35, but the version I have seems to be faulty - like described in the other thread.

Yes, I do - that was why I allowed myself to ask deeper. You were talking about “better” - but now I understand your point.

Oh, be sure I like to argue when I see something that does not fit - I think this a part of our culture. And your help - and additional explanation - was highly appreciated!

Imalent did something very interesting with the DT70. Unlike other soda can lights it has much deeper reflector and sliced emitters for so much more throw. Measured throw is, what, something like 100k cd? Personally I feel the MT09R with 70.2 is the first and only light that I think has a comparable beam.
For a very brief moment (about half a year ago), the DT70 could be bought for $108. I think this was a mistake as the price went up again after a couple of hours, so it’s possible Gearbest would have cancelled the order. I didn’t get it, as I was and am concerned about reliability.

8 posts and he already has a reputation as being someone that likes to argue :person_facepalming:

He was brought to attention as a result of the discussion here: Closed Official Haikelite MT09R *UPDATE Now including TA's Pricing for Emitter Upgrades* Closed