I think Terry tested the xhp70 MT09R to peak over 16k lumens or so, clearly that german dealer sadly got lights that maybe arent supposed to be sold , better to contact Daile and sort that out before things go bad…
Those measurements were not made by the dealer, but by Markus from lilahand.de with a ceiling bounce test. This is, as Terry already said, a fairly inaccurate method, so dont take this number to seriuosly. We have to wait for more serious measurements with integrating spheres or something.
And as far as i know the 70.2 is not affected by the pre-production driver topic.
I test each and every light one at a time and the number that goes on that label is the actual measurement I got when testing it.
No the 70.2 is a rockhouse..
Hi Terry,
I just purchased another MT90R white CW from your store. Paid in full thru PayPal.
Thank you
Hello everybody,
I would like to use the possibility to introduce myself as the maker of the photos shown on the last page. The GIfs of the 70’s Version are already shown and the comparison shows quite good, that the Version with XHP70.2 is not that bad at all. I compared it with my favorite, the often hated IMALENT DT70, which is quite near to it’s promised 16.000 lm - so not that bad at all. I did not measure the MT09R, but it’s not that much below.
In case of the XHP35 version the point is different:
This flashlight - from my point of view - shows the 3.500 to 3.800 lm like mentioned by Dale (when I remember well) for the values of the “wrong” driver.
To compare it: this is a NITECORE TM28 with measured 6.230 lm
Obviously there are more of these “wrong ones” here in Germany - Markus a.k.a. lilahand.de has his one from the same source.
These are the facts and they are undisputed.
What I do not believe is that the official german HAIKELITE-Dealer sells prototypes marked as “not to be sold” - the boxes show nothing that would indicate this. The handwritten chinese signs on the side of the boxes only indicate the different versions with XHP35 or XHP70.2
So I wish you all the best that you will receive the ones with the “hot” driver.
Ciao - Peter
Hey how are you doing Peter/Winston Wolf? Thank you so much for joining BLF and the very clear pictures and explanation. :+1: 
Much appreciated! :partying_face:
I need you do me a favor please... I need you to email this information to Dale Please.. I will send you a PM with he email as well as his Skype address...
Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
Now for all of the U.S. customers that purchase from my store. I give you my word that I check each and every light when it arrives and again just before I pack it for shipping.
If any light does not perform up to the specifications promised by Haikelite then the light will not make it into my inventory for sale, and even if it performs great when I check it after it is first delivered to me and does get logged into inventory for sale. If it fails the inspection testing I perform before packing it for shipping it to you the customer then it will not ship and you will be getting an email and a phone call from me letting you know why.
Thank you very much, I have already tested your light and it had been shipped.
Thanks for the welcome, hiKARInoob!
Actually I am not that well - my wife made me walk the “Ambiente” with her, one of the bggest fairs in Europe regarding Giving / Living / Dining… just don’t ask…
In any case I have to add an additional information regarding the XHP70.2-Version: I made an error - the DT70 used for the pictures was the one with 13.620 lm (the one with 15.000+ stays in the closet).
So the roundabout 12.000 lm measured by lilahand.de for the XHP-70-MT09R seem to be realistic.
My actual personal conclusion based on my two lamps is very similar to the IMALENTs:
- my MT09R XHP70.2 is a massive and especially based on the ramping very good flashlight - call it a DT70 with a slightly lower output, the disadvantage of having just one button is balanced by the UI. For me personally the ramping speed is perfect.
- my MT09R XHP35 is in any case identical - and it shares the same fault as the DT35: big on papers, small in distance. I would have never had the idea of buying the HAIKELITE if IMALENT would have reached their own written lumen-output. Hopefully the final production version of the MT09R will not have the same problem - 3 times 2.500 lm out of 3 XHP35 seem to be a hard target…
Allow to send you a warm “Good Night” to all of you!
Ciao - Peter
Hey guys I need to ask for a favor please.... This comment here...
"XHP35 is in any case identical - and it shares the same fault as the DT35: big on papers, small in distance. I would have never had the idea of buying the HAIKELITE if IMALENT would have reached their own written lumen-output. Hopefully the final production version of the MT09R will not have the same problem - 3 times 2.500 lm out of 3 XHP35 seem to be a hard target... Allow to send you a warm "Good Night" to all of you!"
Unless you can show with some type of measuring instrumentation. Even an Intergrating Sphere that is well calibrated do not post such comments.
Somehow there have been some lights in Germany (I think it was Germany) that had a driver in them that was turned down for use in the light. I have no clue how those lights ended up in the hands of a customer but I have emailed Dale and I have sent private messages to anyone that said they own one of those (so far I think it is 3) lights and let him know where they purchased the light and where they may be able to take or send it for repair.
If it were here in the U.S. I would pay to have it shipped back to me for repair... Well actually it would have never left my warehouse if it did not perform up to spec.
The MT09R 70.2 version not only hits the specifications it exceeds them in every measurement that I've taken.
The MT09R 35 high version I have not yet announced what the lights output officially is yet as I have not tested one yet with the correct driver in it. So anyone saying that it comes up short or really says anything at all about it prior to my announcing what the light will do is a bit unfair and wrong.
Yes the website does say that the light will achieve 7500 lumen but that will be updated once official testing and measurements have been completed and taken.
I appreciate the fact very much that even people making these statements are interested in purchasing the light and either myself or whomever your local Haikelite dealer is will be very happy to sell you one that will do everything that it is supposed to do.
Please allow me time to actually get a factory production unit in my hands and fully tested before either comparing it to another light or stating that it is coming up short.
Also if you are one of the people that did somehow get one of the 35 high versions that has a driver in it that has the lower 3200 to 3800 output please contact Dale and give him the information needed so that he can see how these lights ever got into the hands of any customer.
I promise you that he was just as shocked as I was to learn that anyone had a 35 high version prior to even my own shipment arriving and very shocked to hear that it has a much lower output than what the driver design should be putting out.
Dale had just returned to the factory about 8 days ago and only learned of this the same day it was posted on here. Prior to that he was at his home which is over 500 miles away. My point is that if any of those with that driver that were shipped out to be sold it was without his knowledge or consent.
My 35 high versions should be here one day early next week. And once they arrive I will begin testing right away and I will post what the light can actually do regardless of what the numbers are. (If they are great I will post it, if they come up short I will post that as well)
One thing I can tell you for sure is that the 7500 lumen will be getting changed to 7000 lumen. That little bit of extra power needed to hit 7500 lumen just heats the light too fast.
Other than that it should perform great. It already can throw over 700 meters at 3600 lumen so at 7000 1000+ meters should be pretty easy.
Thanks very much and you have my word that no one is trying to cover up anything and if my shipment arrives and is not up to spec, you will know about it...
Thanks again.
Hi everyone,
This post is for my Canadian neighbors.
May of you have been asking me about being about to order from my U.S online store.
I spoke to Dale the same day that many of you asked me about it and her told me that I was welcome to take on the sales for Haikelite in Canada.
The problem I was having was and still is the shipping costs.
Well I am happy to tell you now that I have been on the phone (Yes on Saturday) for the last 2 hours with USPS customer service.
They are going to have a sales team member contact me next week and we will set up a more permanent and simple shipping console for me shipping to Canada.
For now, I can ship to Canada but, I must tell you ahead of time that there will be a shipping charge.
For the customers here is the U.S. is costs me about $10.80 to ship out a light such as the MTO9R and I ship that free, I just loose that shipping charge from my own profit.
What I am going to do is that I will still cover that first $10.80 shipping that I allow the U.S. customers and you will have to pay the remainder of the shipping charge.
As my sales increase and I ship more and more my shipping charges will get lower and lower and I will of course adjust the shipping charges you have to pay as they get lower.
Shipping prices to Canada vary depending on what type of shipping method I use. So far without meeting with the sales team and only going by what I was told by the customer service people I can ship an MT09R to Canada for $16.80.
I am sorry that I have to charge shipping at all, but it was just high enough that I had to charge, or I would have lost a very large part of profit.
The shipping method for now will be 1st Class Package International Service. And I will be totally honest, I am told it should only take 3 to 7 days but there are cases it takes up to 21 days.
I just finished setting up the POS system on my website for shipping to Canada for the MT09R 70.2.
I will also set up the other products up with the same shipping option as soon as they arrive and have been tested and placed into inventory.
So, if this is something you are interested in please visit And you may order whenever you are ready.
PS give me a couple of hours to complete the shipping option for the SC26 “Little Fatty” I must calculate the weight and measurements before adding it.
Now I can officially Haikelite USA and Canada Official as I will be selling and taking care of service for both countries. Thank you so much for allowing me time to get it all worked out.
Okay my Canadian friends I now have the SC26 "little Fatty" added so that you guys can pre-order it just lie anyone else.
Again I am sorry but it is going to be $4.80 shipping.
Later on when hopefully I am shipping 200 or 300 units a month I can cut that shipping in half because USPS gives a very large discount once you are shipping over 200 units in a single month.
USPS will also be emailing me over the next couple of weeks to let me know anytime that I have qualified for discounted shipping.
Anytime they email me and discount my shipping charges I will update the shipping charges on my website and even refund any money for an item that may not have yet shipped like the SC26. By the time I start shipping all of those orders out I may have qualified for a better shipping rate and if that is the case I will refund the difference.
Thanks for wanting to shop with us...
You are correct.... It was actually going to be $39.25 and I asked why so much and it was because it was priority mail so I aksed if there was not a cheaper way and we found 1st Class which is much less, about half. Funny thing is that you can only ship first class packages up to 15 ounces here in the U.S. but I can ship them up to something like 40 pounds to other countries... It is what it is.... We will always be at the mercy of shipping...
You shipping charge will be $6.80 for the MT09R
And the shipping for the SC26 will be $4.80...
The little Fatty, I decided to drop that from $10.00 to $4.80 even though it is still almost as much as the larger 2 pound light but I can use a much smaller box and not nearly as much packing material so hopefully the money I save in packing materials will be enough to off set it.
You saved alot of money if you use their USPS priority medium box… well atleast in the united states.
Yep here in the U.S. using the priority region box "A" is how I get $10.80 priority shipping even all the way to Hawaii...
Thanks Terry for paying the shipping to me in Hawaii. If needed i’m willing to pay for shipping if it will help you to keep your cost down.
Welcome to BLF Winston Wulf.
Thank you for posting the images and your thoughts about the XHP35 Hi version, it’s always nice with first hand experiences :+1:
I don’t know how many XHP35 HI versions was sold in this GB without and reviews and no official specifications, let’s just hope that the GB version doesn’t have the “wrong” driver.
We will just have to wait and see what the official specifications is, but they are apparently getting lower :
It was actually the same price that it is priority mail to California... Honestly it shocked me I though it would be a lot more than that.
You just let me know what you think of the light when you get it...
I just checked the tracking on yours and it is scheduled to arrive on Thursday 2-15-2018.
Did you get the tracking number, it should have been emailed to you?