imaplent dt70 and dt35, why no one mention anything here

Are you sure about this? I thought max current was more like 9A or so.

Edit: nah, quick calculation resulted in closer to 6A. (I used to calculate using specified 12000 lumens, now I took 9000 lumens for 219C, which results in this difference)

Let me think. Lexel tested 16A, but I believe that was at 8v, right? It’s a 2S2P battery carrier. So with 2 cells that’s 16A each. 4 cells would be 8A each.

Yeah, I was wrong earlier. I was thinking 4A each and 5A to 6A to give some overhead. Now I see it’s double that. So you would want protection circuitry that can do about 10A per cell.

So probably the GA or MJ1 from Liion Wholesale or the GA from MTN Electronics. There’s not too many protected cells that can do 10A.

Oh, that would be nice to know - do you have any indications?

Because when I think of the DT70, I see a 16 klm-flashlight at GB for something around 150 bucks including batteries… and I see no alternatives…

Just look at my next post. #114.

BTW, I think it was actually closer to 13k lumen and not the advertised 16k. It’s been a while since I’ve read a review, though.

Ah, sorry, this slipped thru my fingers.

So this was something I tried before:

Based on this I would not call the MF01 “better” - it’s different and will not go as far as the DT70. And as written, based on the actual prices it’s also not cheaper…

I don’t know if your trolling me or if you’re being serious.

Firstly, the DT70 sells for about $170 and the MF01 about $80. So…

Secondly, the MF01 is rated at 450 meters throw. The DT70 is rated at 700 meters. I don’t know why those pictures show them looking so similar in throw. Either the DT70 is weaker than it should be or the MF01 is stronger than it should be.

If you are looking for a light based on throw, there are better options.

Do you really not understand the beam characteristics between the tir and reflector?

If not, I will try to summarize. The TIR gives you weaker spill lighting, but a stronger hotspot. Typically the hot spot is larger in diameter than a reflector. By the same token, a reflector based light is going to give a stronger amount of spill lighting and a more focused hotspot. This typically equates to a longer throw distance. The pictures you posted show this to be true. Look closely and you can see that the MF01 has a hotspot about twice the diameter than the DT70.

Going back to why I said the MF01 was “better” is mainly because of price and their similar lumen output. I do point out that they have different beam characteristics so you have to keep that in mind and choose what’s best for your needs.

I know you like to argue with people and I don’t want to get caught up in a back and forth situation with you. I was merely suggesting some better alternatives (in my opinion) to the DT70 for klrman. You don’t have to listen to me. I’m no authority, I’m just trying to help.

Firstly, “serious” is my middle name - so do not fear me trolling or so. I just want to learn.

I thought you had a “real” alternative for me - because I do not see the MF01 as an “alternative”. For me it’s just another flashlight with fairly different spex.

- pricely based I can only judge from my point of view - I have a code at GB for the DT70 including batteries for 154,99 Dollar. For the MF01 I just get the list price as 109,95 without batteries… so if you got something for me, it would be highly appreciated (I still look for the Nichia-Version).

- regarding the throw it really depends on the monitor - on my old DELL I can also see nearly no difference, but on the ASUS ROG the difference is much more visible. So regarding weaker / stronger it will somehow get nearer, you are right.

What I am looking for is something like an allrounder:

- distance like the TN40, but without the stupid formed spill

- the UI of the K60 was great - I am about to try the K65

  • the RT70 might also be interesting in the future

I thought I found what I search in the MT09R with XHP35, but the version I have seems to be faulty - like described in the other thread.

Yes, I do - that was why I allowed myself to ask deeper. You were talking about “better” - but now I understand your point.

Oh, be sure I like to argue when I see something that does not fit - I think this a part of our culture. And your help - and additional explanation - was highly appreciated!

Imalent did something very interesting with the DT70. Unlike other soda can lights it has much deeper reflector and sliced emitters for so much more throw. Measured throw is, what, something like 100k cd? Personally I feel the MT09R with 70.2 is the first and only light that I think has a comparable beam.
For a very brief moment (about half a year ago), the DT70 could be bought for $108. I think this was a mistake as the price went up again after a couple of hours, so it’s possible Gearbest would have cancelled the order. I didn’t get it, as I was and am concerned about reliability.

8 posts and he already has a reputation as being someone that likes to argue :person_facepalming:

He was brought to attention as a result of the discussion here: Closed Official Haikelite MT09R *UPDATE Now including TA's Pricing for Emitter Upgrades* Closed

Here I go again... The driver in the 35 high version MTO9T is not in any way faulty nor is the light broken...

The one that you somehow ended up with has a driver that is set up for a lower output than the light was designed for.

No light with that driver should have made it out for retail sale... The driver was noticed right away and full production waited for the corrected driver to arrive.

Please stop saying the driver is faulty ad it work exactly as it was set up to. The MTO9R 35 high needs a good deal more amperage and the mass produced units will have that.

Could you do me a favor and shoe me a picture of the driver please. I am also factory authorized to repair any Haikelite model which means I also have schematics for the parts. I am still very puzzled how that light was shipped to a customer.

So far I've read about 2 and only 2. That is still 2 too many.

I found out imalent brand a year ago… i always ask a modder about the brand quality… guess what? I havent own an imalent light.

Haikelite first !

+1

Definitely 20,18,15,12,12!

It has been mentioned more than a few times on this forum so I have been seriously testing my DX80 to see if any faults show up by continuously using it everywhere, but so far it is one solid piece of equipment. That being said, I would not feel comfortable dropping it.

I was against the dx80 switch when I first saw the pics, but when you actually use it, it is easy and lightning fast, so I can't complain about it anymore as I like it.

It gives an output of roundabout 50% of the specified value. When I would deliver a product like this to my customer, he would send it back and I would have to start an 8D-report and would have to replace it fro free.

As written in the other thread, the light gets hot, even at low output levels - there must be something inside the system that creates this temperature (I mean “hot” in a way like “uncomfortable to carry”)

What else can this be but “faulty”.

I am sorry, but my light is still under warranty from the shop where I bought it - I will not open it up because it would kill this. It will be send back unopened from my side. I can ask the shop owner if he would like to open it up and do some photos, but I won’t.

By the way: I think, this does not help you, does it?

I count:

- yours

- mine

- the one at lilahand.de

- jasonxding

  • Pok

If these are the 5 ones that should have never left the factory, then HAIKELITE is on the save side. But when Germany sold two and they still seem to have it on stock, there must be far more then 5 - and Germany for sure is not the only country that sells them (and must have them on stock).

By the way, Terry, I would really appreciate if you would not spread the topic of the faulty MT09R XHP35 in every possible thread in that forum. This is IMALENT - and as written before, I am quite happy with the ones I have. Ok, the DT35 did not have a long time with me, but anyway.

@klrman:

Same with me - I have and had many IMALENT and until today I can state that all of them stil work flawless. Ok, I am not into “modding” - I just use them…

I have now 5 Imalent lights with not anproblem 1 with any. Their specs seem slightly inflated, as many mfrs do but quality and reliability are very good.
I think the DN70, DN35 are very good small 26650 lights and i couldnt be happier with either. Look for codes and get them for under $50 and you’ll be very pleased. BTW, unlike others, built in charging and included battery are quite good.
Just $0.02 from someone who owns both.

I have now 5 Imalent lights with not a problem 1 with any. Their specs seem slightly inflated, as many mfrs do but quality and reliability are very good.
I think the DN70, DN35 are very good small 26650 lights and i couldnt be happier with either. Look for codes and get them for under $50 and you’ll be very pleased. BTW, unlike others, built in charging and included battery are quite good.
Just $0.02 from someone who owns both.

Well, please use other mediums if you wants to argue, because it’s strictly prohibited here on BLF:

http://budgetlightforum.com/forum/misc/siterules

In this case I want to apologize - I, in any meaning of this word, did not want to “fight”. I also accepted the BLF Rules by entering the forum.

For me “to argue” means ” to give reasons for or against something” or “to contend or disagree in words” - I am sorry, I have to use this description though I am not a native speaker. For me “to argue” equals with “to debate”. Or is this already fighting?

Based on this, stating a fact (like having a MT09R XHP35 with max. 3.800 lm) should not be fighting. For me this - at first - was just an information.

Yes, I know, Terry is not happy about it and he wants to silence it - and I eplained to him that this is a bad idea for his own sake.

Feel free to contact me by PM, sb56637 - it would be a pleasure to debate with you (and not to argue).

Ciao - Peter

Hi Peter, thanks for the reply. I understand that “arguing” is a somewhat ambiguous term. But I have seen legitimate technical discussions here turn into a nasty disagreement that leaves everybody with an unpleasant experience. So basically the most important part of the rule I quoted is where it says “If you or somebody else is losing their calm, please drop the subject.” It really is the best policy for keeping the peace around here, and even if somebody does have a valid technical point I would prefer for them to just drop the subject if they or anybody else involved is starting to get angry.