Closed Official Haikelite MT09R *UPDATE Now including TA's Pricing for Emitter Upgrades* Closed

The 35 and 70 from member ulf1m are from the group buy?

Yes - the 35 is blue, the 70 somehow beige.

They are both from the GB.

dissapointed a bit if the xhp35 version doesnt even reach 5000 lumens… how is that possible arent we supposed to get near 7000lumens ?

To be honest, I would have been surprised if it would have been different - the MT07s with the XHP35 HI was also sold with 3.000 lm.

And it has been delivered with something around 1.600 lm.

At the end we are not that far away with the measured 4.570 lm - if I would have taken three of the MT07s HI I would have had something around 4.800 lm…

Additional information:

I have been asked regarding the regulation of the Turbo - so I placed myself into my dedicated “Ullbricht-Room” and verified it immediately:

- start at 0 s with a full set of LG HG2 with 3.500 lm (the more I use it, the more light I get…)

- continuos and slow decrease down to 3.230 lm during the first 3:30 min.

  • after 3:30 min a fast decrease down to 2.140 lm in between 30 seconds

After these 4 minutes the lamp can still be handled - but the temperature is not “comfortable”. I still have to study the manual for my laser temperature measurement device, so sorry for this un-academic definition…

Can you perhaps do a lux reading? Maybe do it @30sec (ANSI)?

The rooms I have are not long enough…

Doh!

40% below spec! What’s the process for getting a refund? Given the circumstances I certainly won’t be willing to pay the return shipping. Mine’s still on the ground in China, “at shipper’s warehouse” - maybe Dale can retrieve it before it leaves.

@arficus:

Before doing something like this I would expect others with the same result. From what I know there are others who ordered one and have a “real” Ullbricht device… even though I do not really expect big differences…

Actually I am the only one who has a GB and a retail version in hands to compare it.

“From what I know there are others who ordered one and have a “real” Ullbricht device”

Really? who/where? I have not heard of a single XHP35 that came close to spec.

You got me wrong - I also do not know a single 35 close to the spex.

But until today just a handfull of MT09R from the GB have been delivered…

In my Lumenbox I get with thrower LEDs mostly lower readings as with floodie LEDs.
Perhaps this could be an issue in your reading. But it does not explain that big difference. Did you had the luxmeter at the opposite “surface” to the Hotspot?
I am waiting for my MT09R and will share my measurement.

This is really dissapointing…im still waiting for mine, but at least its already in germany. Im gonna take a look at the beam pattern and the output compared to my current flashlight…but right now i dont think i can reach 1000m with 2500-3000 lumens less than advertised. Feeling a but fooled now and thinking about further steps.

I also think we should wait for further measurements, but if they dont go very well, we can at least see how good Haikelites new customer service is. :cry:

My problems start with flooders above 20.000 lm - with an X80 or an DX80 my values are not usable…

That’s why I said I would expect others…

My Luxmeter is aside the flashlight - so: yes.

This would be highly appreciated!

Anyone can sell me a complete light meter? I am talking about the one with the tube and so. I am serious about it.

Ok, I found the time to make the beamshots - the pictures are indicated:

The - from my point of view - important comparison:

The 1.200 lm more between Retail & GB are clearly visible - but the difference is still far too small. This to show the difference between 3.500 lm and 6.000 lm:

But for me another point of view is more important: even though the MT09R 35 fails completely regarding the 7.500 lm (or even 7.000 lm), the point with the 1.000 m of distance seems not completely out of range. Both Tiny Monsters are measured with more than 700 m - when I see the difference between the TM28 and the Groupbuy I would say that the full distance is not completely out of range.

Before somebody asks: as written I do not have enough distance in our home to measure the lux-values - ok, I tried it on location, but my luxmeter did not survive my major fine motoric availabilities… does anybody have a good luxmeter he would recommend?

From comparing the beamshots of the TM28 and the MT09R 35 HI group buy, the Haikelite appears to have better throw and to be slightly brighter overall, despite the calculations which show otherwise. Just my perception. Thank you for sharing your efforts with these lights.

A Gif might show it better:

With a surrounding like this it’s a little bit hard to show - it can be seen much easier on a wall (which I do not like to shoot :person_facepalming: )

As the “Lumen” are a definition of the total of the light sent out by the flashlight, it’s always hard to compare flashlights with different characteristics. While the TM26GT or the TM28 are more in the “Allrounder” area, the MT09R 35 is more something like an “Allrounder with good Throw”.

Thus said, you can see that the spot of the GB is clearly stronger - but the spil is smaller and darker. And this is where the GB (4.500 lm) looses the power against the TM28 (6.000 lm).

But while my TM28 is measured with a little bit more than 700 m of throw, the GB gives clearly more distance. As I said: from my point of view 900 m do not seem to be impossible…

… and think of that babe if it would have real 7.500 lm…

Well hopefully not all the lights in the GB fail to live up to the claimed output. My light is being processed through NY right now, so hopefully it’ll arrive sometime next week.

Any idea approximately how far away the gate is? And how far away the tree just visble behind the gate is?