Closed Official Haikelite MT09R *UPDATE Now including TA's Pricing for Emitter Upgrades* Closed

Well hopefully not all the lights in the GB fail to live up to the claimed output. My light is being processed through NY right now, so hopefully it’ll arrive sometime next week.

Any idea approximately how far away the gate is? And how far away the tree just visble behind the gate is?

Really appreciate your effort and time for sharing your results. Your beamshots are very useful. The GB 35 version seems a lot brighter than your retail version.

I have a few questions.

1) Do you test for lumens at startup or at 30s?

2) Have you compared your lumen results with other reviewers for the same flashlights? That way we can see if there’s a potential that your testing aparatus may result in consistently lower lumen readings.

3) You said the XHP70.2 GB unit had warmer tint than yours. What CCT is yours? If the GB unit you tested is the 4000k, unit then your 13.76 lumen result is the same as my estimate.

I just double checked my lux readings for comparison,
Olight H2R Nova NW 308 at startup (Several reviews put this at about 2,360+ lumens at 30s)
Acebeam H15 NW 324 at startup
Astrolux MF01 219c 1,220 at startup (known to putout 9-10k lumens)
Manker MK34 219c 4000k 560 at startup (measured 4,914 lumens in Advanced Knife Bro’s youtube review)
Emisar D4 XPL v2 HI 4000k 420 at startup (known to produce 3,800-4,000 lumens)
MT09R XHP70.2 5000k 2,170 at startup
MT09R XHP70.2 4000k 1,640 at startup

From my data, the the XHP70.2 500k version should produce around 17k lumens and the 4000k version should produce 13k lumens.

Thank you for the update :+1:

The results are disappointing, but not unexpected. It’s going to be interesting to see some more measurements when more of the groupbuy lights arrive, but I expect they will be more or less the same.

Thank you for taking the time to do this.

Thank you!

That’s why we are here.

The lumens have been tested at startup - but based on Post #929 the decrease is continuously, so the difference between 0s and 30s can be neglected…

Actually it seems like I am the first one who tested a GB-version. My test of the retail-version is very similar to another one sold in Germany and also near to the values Terry measured for the prototype.

Regarding my general measurements I compared it inside the TLF and they are in general in the area of others - so it seems to be on the same level. Also the values I receive for other flashlights are on the level of what others measure with there Ullbricht sphere. My Luxmeter seemed to work quite well - another point why I am actually quite upset…

Actually they only have CW in retail - the CCT of the GB-version is not indicated. But especially for you I murdered my strict “no wall-shots”-policy:

From my point of view the GB must be the one with 5.000 K

As written above, the GB70 I have in hands seems to be the 5.000K - and as written it gives a good 6% more power than my 6.000 K. But from my point of view 17 klm are far away - see the comparison with the DT70

Another point discussed was the difference between the GB35 (4.500 lm) and the TM28 (6.000 lm). From my point of view, it can be explained best with the wallshot (again!). While the MT09R35 give its power to the Spot, the TM28 has a bigger and more powerfull Spill, together with a bigger Spot:

… its hard to show it with a photo…

Im anxious to get some actual lumen tests of the cool white version of xhp35… i really hope it not just max 5000 lumens that would really be a dissapointment…

I will make a new test as soon as I have my new luxmeter. It’s already ordered.

What manner of testing are you doing for these readings.

I am not trying ti argue or even trying to dispute your post. As of right now I still do not have a 35 high that I can actually test myself I only know that the calculations show it should easily do.

The 70.2 on the other hand I have proven on video not once but several times that the 70.2 will easily hit 15k lumen and most of the time closer to 16k.

The readings you are posting are about 3k lower than my own and factory testing of the 70,2 so I can easily believe that if however you are measuring the lights has you 3k lumen lower than my own testing and what you are posting on the 35 high version appears to be almost exactly 3k lumen short of what the expected output should be.

Actually that makes me feel pretty confident in the actual output of the 35 high before I even get to test it. If you are 3k lower than I can show right this moment on a 70.2 version and also show readings of many other well known lights that will show the correct output using the gear I have been suing for over 3 years now to be at least 15k lumen if not more then I should get a similar reading when I do get to test a 35 high. If your is 3k low then mine should be dead close to what is expected. Just judging by the numbers that you have posted.

I just tested a totally new untouched 70.2 and 15789 lumen on the first test. If you are 3k below that on both models then I feel better already without getting to test one yet.

I will still not pass judgment until I do have one in my hands that I can test though all 3 of my integrating spheres.

Any member here in the U.S. that may have already received your ordered MT09R 35 high in CW version if you do not halve the equipment to test the light I will pay for the shipping both ways to me and back if you will ship it to me for testing.

I have a very large shipment that is on the way but importing more than a single light is much harder and takes time and money so it takes much longer. I do not have a 35 high version that I can either sell or test.

I will pay for shipping both ways just to be able to test it. Contact me by PM if you happen to have one that has already arrived here in the U.S.

Just need to ask... How did you take the measurements that you posted if not with a lux meter?

Somehow guys I stopped getting update email for this thread so I am just now getting to read all of the posts for the last couple of days.

The very first thing I want to take time to point out is that I let the entire world watch as I took the measurements of the 70.2 version of the MTO9R not once but twice and I have personally tested 5 that I have sold and shipped from my own warehouse.

You all saw the video and saw the lights easily made the 15k lumen output level. If anyone happens to get a Warm White tint it may and I say may because I do not have and have to tested a warm white tint yet. But it is possible that it will fall about 1k lumen lower just because of the the tint.

Back on point here. Everyone has saw that I have already proven it and anyone that has ordered one from me can tell you that their light was tested and if they wish I welcome them to please test yourself and verify the inspection label that was on your light when you got it.

My next point. Why in any manner of anything sensible would anyone post anything about what the light output of a light ordered in a group buy that I organized and they do not even own a lux meter.

I can not stress enough just how much I must implore you to please if you know how to and you have a lux meter to do your own testing

I do not yet have a 35 high version that I can test but I promise you that one is coming and I will post totally honest results. I have never posted false readings on any light made by anyone and I will never do so.

How in the world can you post anything about the lumen output of a light that I am representing without the proper equipment to get you to even a 10% reliability.

A photo cell on a mobile phone is by far too small and inaccurate on even the best of phones to attempt to use them as a reliable means of measuring light at these levels.

I personally own a Samsung S8 less than a year old and I can tell you that it is no where near close to the accuracy of even the least expensive of my light meter.

I am seeing post with actual claimed output levels but I am not seeing what was used to take these measurements.

I will not debate this person any further on the matter of either of these lights.

I will however ask members to please if you have the equipment and the knowledge to take your own measurements.

LOL I have an even better way.. Do it the way we use to many years ago and that is, buy a light. Turn it on. If you like it... Excellent....

One other thing I will mention. Out of all of the pictures I see posted it does appear at least to me that the MT09R 35 high is easily brighter than any of the others pictured lol...

In other words... The measurements and posted spec from these posts are totally inaccurate because this person does not have a meter to take the measurements.And, it would be a better idea to wait and take measurements yourself please if you have a meter.

If you do not have a meter possibly watch the video of the guy that shows and totally proves that the 70.2 not only makes 15k lumen but exceeds it. From what I hear he is a pretty honest guy and actually films himself taking the measurements and shows that the device he is using to be what one would consider reasonably calibrated to within at least + or - 5%.

I have no idea how the output levels that were posted earlier in this thread were measured. It is not stated in it anywhere and it is clearly stated in other posts that this person needs recommendations for a good lux meter.

Guys please be responsible with what you post. Especially if it is posted in another members thread. I have no clue what the deal with this member is and at this point it no longer matters. Why in the world would you take the word from someone that does not even own the correct equipment to take measurements.

LOL I was actually testing all of my gear... making sure I have everything set up correctly and calibrated correctly then I finally noticed.

My gear is fine and has been for several years. This person does not have the correct tools to make such statements.

Here is why you really need calibrated meters and equipment if you are going to attempt to tell people what the output level of a flashlight is.

LOL it really is a good little experiment you can do that will show you just how far off the readings you are getting from something other than a dedicated lux meter even an inexpensive one can be.

www.youtube.com/embed/3pYiMyONZ7g

He apparently dropped his luxmeter :

Winston Wulf is also a respected and active member of the the German flashlight forum TLF, and I am very happy that he also wants to share his findings with us here on BLF.

Until more of the group buy lights are delivered and tested we will just have patient :slight_smile:

Those are finding based on nothing... making claims based on simple observations and not facts that can be backed up and supported by anything other than "Here is what I believe". I'm sorry I'm suppose to respect that how?

A lux meter alone will not give you the calculations necessary to state anything as even close to fact. Especially one that now does not exist. I really do not get what the issue is with this person and this company but dating back to it’s beginning out of any issues the company had one issue they got right of the 9 models I own and have tested is the output almost always exceeds specifiations. More often than not overpowered lights were the issue. For some reason this seems to be some kind of fun thing almost a game… For me it is how I earn a living and I have never and will never overstate any product of any kind at all. Thing is… if you really can’t back up and show or support a claim that clearly is basically saying the fact and figures I posted from my own tests is wrong. For me to back off… Prove the findings. I proved mine over and over. Show me something other than words typed out saying my feeling is or what I think. I think a lot of things but I only post facts I fuilly support and show as being real not just words.

I am starting to get a bad feeling about my purchase again for the second time in this this thread…I was pretty excited to see my lights tracking showing movement and now it is in the US and should arrive very soon but with all this BS in this thread I am not so excited any more.

That's what I was afraid of happening. Judge them yourself.

When you get it check them out totally for yourself... You will find they perform as well of not better than has been stated by the company.

If not... You re here in the U.S. just drop me an email and I will provide whatever is needed to be sure you are happy with your purchase.

Any update on the charging units? Do we know when they will ship?

I think it would have been better if you would have done it.

It would have helped you.

In any case I can just repeat: I hope that all the measurements I have done are somehow wrong - even though I do not expect it.

The next days will bring my new luxmeter (@Terry: I broke my old one while trying to do a measurement during the beamshots - just in case you overread it) together with a K65, which might be a better comparison to the MT09R 35 than the TM28.

I keep you updated.