[Q] About Liitokala 35A (NCR18650GA based) and other battery tips

If they say it’s GA, it shall be GA, otherwise it’s fake.
I know 35E is a good cell and quite similar to GA, but nevertheless different. It’s also a cheaper one, so a good deal on GA may not be a good deal on 35E.

So I got 2 different answers from 2 different emails (both listed on liitokala website)

I think this confirms that they are using both cells to make their batteries as they are very similar in specs, and from the non-raised flat top on mine, I’m now sure they are 35Es. I just wish they were more clear on their AE shop in the item description

Be careful! On AE “official” LiitoKala store are selling fakes named NCR18650GA 10A. I bought a few, they are not Sanyo, Samsung or Panasonic, some noname china quality, max current with FET 4pc Oslons on freshly charged batteries 6-7A on different examples, where original Sanyo gives 8,5-9A.

China is now ripe with a new wave of inland battery OEMs. Now mix the following ingredients: a (much) lower comparable unit cost, little available information about them outside of their borders and a government and/or culture which openly endorses deceptive practices.

Already had a good deal of this stuff: Seems like I got a six-pack of counterfeit/fake Samsung ICR18650-30B cells :-/

There are fair dealers, of course, buy maybe with a more senseful pricing.

Cheers ^:)

I agree with Socal tiger and others. The Concept 1 should run on a Samsung 18650-30q or even slightly better the Sony 18650-VTC6. I have the Nitecore EC23 running a XHP-35 pretty hard and it runs noticeably brighter on a Sony VTC. This is true of my Skilhunt S3pro lights.
I have several Lii-32A and well as some 26650s and the are quality cells so I am not not knocking the Liitokalas. You just have to tailor the cell to the light.

I understand the Lii-35A is supposed to be Samsung INR18650-35E, but that AE “official” Liitokala store’s product description does indicate NCR18650GA. I’ve bought a pack of 4pcs hoping them to be INR18650-35E (my order has a tracking number already but no tracking update yet, so I’m not sure it it’s shipped or not…)
Hopefully it is the 35E, but if as you said it is just some unknown clone, I hope it has at least similar capacity as the 35E…

Any reason for you to not report these deceptive practices? Once the product is at your hands opening a dispute may take some time (if never done, maybe) but we need to prove AliExpress they're wrong in these matters, and quite unaware of actual vendor practices (or so it seems).

I swear to God I'll win my case.

Cheers ^:)

I have already opened dispute with photos and argumentation, and seller answered me “Hello! Our products are 100% genuine shot. Buyers use such pictures illustrate our products fake What persuasion? Buyers have carefully read our product details when buying products. Believe that our products are 100% genuine. Please do not take such pictures to arbitrarily stir up this malicious dispute. Thank you!”.
Now i am waiting for administration to solve our dispute.

Hooray! Finally i got decision from AE:

Also i saw a lot of different “liitokala original (direct, eth.) shop”’s on AE, all of them looks provided by the same cheating chineese, who started his business from selling original batteries to make a good karma and opinions first, and after started to sell fake batteries but having certificates of origin from japan manufacturers. So be carefull and fight with that kind of shops!



martinoss88
, is this the store (217753) you refer to?: https://liitokalahongkong.aliexpress.com/store/217753

A link to it is found at the bottom of LiitoKala's chinese website: http://www.liitokala.com.cn

I was told this a few days ago by a ForoLinternas user.

Cheers :-)

yeap, the case is about shop you listed) So its a pity, it is official LiitoKala brand police and business model, and i loved Lii-101 charger so much(

Thanks for confirming, martinoss88. I still love the LiitoKala stuff, and if we love 'em a bit of “help” is due.

At the bottom of the chinese LiitoKala website I see “LiitoKala Power Co.,LTD” which after a Google search leads me here: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1045132

I do not believe there's a very tight relationship between the brand name folks and all of these “official” whatevers. Here's a copy and paste of the contents found in the “Contact us” section:

ShenZhen LiitoKala Power Co.,LTD(ShenZhen charger factory)

Add: The 6F building 1,MaoBang industrial Area,No.8 Lingwu Industrial Road Junzibu, GuanLan Town,Baoan District,Shenzhen City,Guangdong,518110,China

Contact: Ashley zhang

TEL: +86 13760394452

website: www.liitokala.com.cn

Email : sales@liitokala.com.cn

Office hours: (HK Time) Mon - Sat: 9:00am - 22:00pm

LiitoKala Power Co.,LTD(DongGuan battery factory)

Add: No.38 Changsheng Road, Tiantangwei, Fenggang Town, Dongguan City, Guangdong,523690,China

website: www.liitokala.com.cn

Contact: ZhangNi

TEL: +86 13760394452

Email and Skype : liitokala@126.com

Office hours: (HK Time) Mon - Sat: 9:00am - 22:00pm

HongKong LiitoKala Power Co.,LTD(Hong Kong office)

Add: room 01,21/F,Prosper Commercial Building,9 Yin Chong Street,KowLoon,H.K

website: www.liitokala.com.cn

Contact: Cherleen

TEL: +86 13760394452

Email : liitokala@126.com

Office hours: (HK Time) Mon - Sat: 9:00am - 22:00pm

It could be interesting for a line to be dropped to liitokala@126.com, to check what's going on.

martinoss88, would you mind sharing with us how did you won your dispute? How were you able to make them admit a “counterfeit” claim? Got help from Panasonic?

Cheers :-)

+1

I have the exact same issue, I ordered a few lii-35A a while ago and they have the 3 sided top that looks like samsung, but on a recent purchase I got the same 4 sided top you got (looks like LG, but who knows), with the additional worrying factor that the print on the wrapping is a bit blurry and smudged, indicating a different production line altogether. At this point, we have the same battery being declared as one cell, and being sold as at least 2 other different cells, which takes reliability on liitokala cells down a lot. I still haven’t tested the newer cells on my higher current flashlights, and still haven’t got my charger that can measure capacity, but the first batch, the one with the 3 sided top, at least drained to spec on the 10A range

Sanyo :NCR18650GA 3500Mah 10A discharge
LG : 18650MJ1 3500Mah 10A discharge
The Two Batteries are same spec ,IF u can buy the real one ,the Japana battery are better.

Thanks martinoss88. The key in your dispute is that you had known good Lii-35A (NCR18650GA based) to compare against. The AliExpress Case Management Team probably did not accept my ICR18650-30B counterfeit claim because I didn't had genuine cells to compare with, though fortunately for me the fake cells didn't survived a charge to 4.35V, which in my opinion also proves how crappy they were. For me using high voltage cells was key, as they were intended for a laptop pack overhaul.

Cheers everyone :-)

Ordered these Lii-35A last Feb 11, 2018 from the Liitokala official store (https://liitokalahongkong.aliexpress.com/store/217753
It’s May 21, 2018, the store just extended the buyer protection period. The tracking information indicates the package left Belgium on March 19, 2018 (used registered Belgium Post for batteries shipment), It’s 2 months since the package left Belgium, but has no further tracking updates and no record of that package in our country’s Post Office nor Customs Office. Looks like I’ll not be able to test these batteries. (this is the 4th or 5th time that batteries shipment has been cancelled/didn’t arrive from my foreign orders…)

Hello all
where to buy genuine bateries?

best regards

I use lii-35A every day for 9 months and they still have 3350mAh and internal resistance 30mΩ. They are a bit better than my LG MJ1