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Hm, that is a point.
I guess about 60% of the people I show a lamp look at the battery.

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Please add me to the list for 1 unit.

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Add me to the list for another one.
Total 2
I do hope this starts making progress again soon.

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I’m 1038, could you put me down for another two please?

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djozz wrote:
About muggle-mode… disconnecting the power to get out of muggle mode makes it too easy.

I asked people for feedback about muggle mode, but didn’t get much consensus. Perhaps it’s time to restart that discussion.

Open questions:

  • What UI style should muggle mode have?
    • On/off only, ~150 lm.
    • Low/med/high/off loop, one step per click. (~10/~80/~300 lm)
    • Low/med/high Olight Baton-style UI. (stairstep ramp)
    • Simplified smooth ramp, ~10 lm to ~300 lm.
    • No muggle mode.
  • How should the user exit muggle mode?
    • Disconnect power and wait for the driver’s residual charge to drain.
    • Special sequence of button presses. (probably just 6 clicks, to mirror the steps used to enter muggle mode)

Maybe this should be a poll?

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10-300 smooth ramp or 3-4 speed with hold to cycle would be fine with me.

Maybe just limit the MAX level to certain level and leave the rest.

EDIT- Yes I vote give them everything just with a lower max.

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I think I’m going for:
Full ramp range enabled
Start from minimum if off upon hold
Start from last value if off upon single click until power cut; default to 1×7135 probably?
No multiclick shortcuts except a ~6+ click sequence to exit muggle mode – not triggered accidentally
Remember muggle mode even after residual charge drains, so that when taken out of a drawer (stored without battery in) it still works just like before it was stored

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I just don’t hand my powerful lights to muggles. Problem solved. Lol

Keep some cheaper, less powerful and easier to use lights handy. EE X2R, X5R, X6R, etc…

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I would vote for UI style 2, exit method 2.

If I gift the light, that person will have to change the battery.

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I like the idea of muggle mode since at $30, with nice looks and small size, this is in gift territory.

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Ok, I’ll be that guy…please define “muggle”.

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Slang for people who aren’t flashlight enthusiasts and would find the complex UI needed to implement all the controls we could enable into a single button interface a bit confusing. Muggle mode is a simplified mode that’s more intuitive and doesn’t need an instruction manual to use.

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TK, maybe we should start with a user story for Muggle Mode?

Or at least list the applicable use cases?

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CJ Avlis wrote:
Ok, I’ll be that guy…please define “muggle”.

A non magical person in the world of Harry Potter. In other words “normal folk”.

In this instance, people who don’t know how to handle fancy flashlights.

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That 1st prototype had grown on me. I would be interested in one in that finish for sure.

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JasonWW wrote:
I just don’t hand my powerful lights to muggles. Problem solved. Lol

Keep some cheaper, less powerful and easier to use lights handy. EE X2R, X5R, X6R, etc…


I agree. Shouldn’t muggles be using $2 zillion lumen Tac lights sold for $50? Personally I think it’s a pointless mode for a light aimed at enthusiasts.
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No, they’re using those because they don’t have this and other nice lights. Also: it’s just not hard to add some kind of simplified mode, it’s all code.

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Hi TK,

 

I think a poll would be in order, with those UI choices, just to keep housekeeping easy.

 

Until then, I vote:

 

Low/med/high/off loop;

 

and

 

Special sequence of button presses.

 

 

Thanks! Smile

 

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stephenk wrote:
JasonWW wrote:
I just don’t hand my powerful lights to muggles. Problem solved. Lol

Keep some cheaper, less powerful and easier to use lights handy. EE X2R, X5R, X6R, etc…


I agree. Shouldn’t muggles be using $2 zillion lumen Tac lights sold for $50? Personally I think it’s a pointless mode for a light aimed at enthusiasts.

One of my EDC lights has a X5/X6 driver, and I keep it at muggle mode because in thoughtless daily use I ‘m kind of a muggle myself, in that I need the light to work simple without suddenly blinding someone.

I like the muggle ramp and exit via a button sequence. Second in line the off-low-med-highish-off.

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As a side note, I don’t recommend pairing “low/med/high/off loop” and “special sequence of button presses”, since the click-per-mode UI is the most likely for people to accidentally input the six clicks to exit.

That could be alleviated by using an Olight Baton-style UI instead though, where it’s click for on/off and hold to change brightness. Perhaps there should be four UI options instead of three.

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Put me up for one, thanks.

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For muggle mode, I would vote:

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Simplified smooth ramp, ~10 lm to ~300 lm.

For exit muggle mode, I would vote:

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Special sequence of button presses. (probably just 6 clicks, to mirror the steps used to enter muggle mode)

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Has anyone considered a mini dip switch on the board for selecting things like Muggle mode?
It could not be disengaged by accident, easiest way to operate it would be to remove the head and push with a pen.

Beam me up!

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Zulumoose wrote:
Has anyone considered a mini dip switch on the board for selecting things like Muggle mode?
It could not be disengaged by accident, easiest way to operate it would be to remove the head and push with a pen.

Typical muggle behaviour: “what does this dipswitch do?” Smile
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ToyKeeper wrote:
djozz wrote:
About muggle-mode… disconnecting the power to get out of muggle mode makes it too easy.

I asked people for feedback about muggle mode, but didn’t get much consensus. Perhaps it’s time to restart that discussion.

Open questions:

  • What UI style should muggle mode have?
    • On/off only, ~150 lm.
    • Low/med/high/off loop, one step per click. (~10/~80/~300 lm)
    • Low/med/high Olight Baton-style UI. (stairstep ramp)
    • Simplified smooth ramp, ~10 lm to ~300 lm.
  • How should the user exit muggle mode?
    • Disconnect power and wait for the driver’s residual charge to drain.
    • Special sequence of button presses. (probably just 6 clicks, to mirror the steps used to enter muggle mode)

Maybe this should be a poll?

We need consistency. The BLF Q8, GT have a 4 click lockout and the Emisar D4 has a 6 click lockout. FW3A a 6 click muggle mode. Maybe we should start giving some frequently used functions a standardized number of button clicks?

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CrashOne wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
djozz wrote:
About muggle-mode… disconnecting the power to get out of muggle mode makes it too easy.

I asked people for feedback about muggle mode, but didn’t get much consensus. Perhaps it’s time to restart that discussion.

Open questions:

  • What UI style should muggle mode have?
    • On/off only, ~150 lm.
    • Low/med/high/off loop, one step per click. (~10/~80/~300 lm)
    • Low/med/high Olight Baton-style UI. (stairstep ramp)
    • Simplified smooth ramp, ~10 lm to ~300 lm.
  • How should the user exit muggle mode?
    • Disconnect power and wait for the driver’s residual charge to drain.
    • Special sequence of button presses. (probably just 6 clicks, to mirror the steps used to enter muggle mode)

Maybe this should be a poll?

We need consistency. The BLF Q8, GT have a 4 click lockout and the Emisar D4 has a 6 click lockout. FW3A a 6 click muggle mode. Maybe we should start giving some frequently used functions a standardized number of button clicks?

Sounds like you need to toss whichever UI you prefer onto all your lights so they all match!

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Zulumoose wrote:
Has anyone considered a mini dip switch on the board for selecting things like Muggle mode? It could not be disengaged by accident, easiest way to operate it would be to remove the head and push with a pen.

You also loose an IO-pin

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interest in one please

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CrashOne wrote:

We need consistency. The BLF Q8, GT have a 4 click lockout and the Emisar D4 has a 6 click lockout. FW3A a 6 click muggle mode. Maybe we should start giving some frequently used functions a standardized number of button clicks?

There is consistency, between Q8 (NarsilM) and FW3A (Andúril).
Hank the owner of International Outdoor Store asked for 6 clicks for lock out as Tom E did the firmware, so it is on the Emisars (IOS).

If you want you can change the clicks in the firmware.

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Perhaps the muggle mode needs to simply be a settings/mode lock. We could configure the light to the mode we wanted for muggle in question (limited ramping for my kids, 3 mode click setup for a friend, single mode for Grandpa) and then lock the light into that mode.

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