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Has anyone considered a mini dip switch on the board for selecting things like Muggle mode?
It could not be disengaged by accident, easiest way to operate it would be to remove the head and push with a pen.

Typical muggle behaviour: “what does this dipswitch do?” :slight_smile:

We need consistency. The BLF Q8, GT have a 4 click lockout and the Emisar D4 has a 6 click lockout. FW3A a 6 click muggle mode. Maybe we should start giving some frequently used functions a standardized number of button clicks?

Sounds like you need to toss whichever UI you prefer onto all your lights so they all match!

You also loose an IO-pin

interest in one please

There is consistency, between Q8 (NarsilM) and FW3A (Andúril).
Hank the owner of International Outdoor Store asked for 6 clicks for lock out as Tom E did the firmware, so it is on the Emisars (IOS).

If you want you can change the clicks in the firmware.

Perhaps the muggle mode needs to simply be a settings/mode lock. We could configure the light to the mode we wanted for muggle in question (limited ramping for my kids, 3 mode click setup for a friend, single mode for Grandpa) and then lock the light into that mode.

I was refering to the Eagle Eye lights. They are good for gifting out to muggles.

One, please.

Another requested for No.455, total lights = 2.

I would vote for either 4 or 6 clicks in and out of muggle, and one mode on/off in muggle, around 150 lumens, as TK suggested.

I’m not really sure why the need exists for a “muggle” mode at all, I mean, we all figured it out, they can too. Just like everyone, if a light is too complex and troublesome to use pick up another one. Look at the folks out there that drive…

Agreed, this is hardly a torch to gift or lend to “muggles”. It is for connoisseurs. I understand (know, I designed some) that owners of some very very fast cars are usually offered separate key fobs for their “muggles” to use when they run down to the shops, pick the kids up from school, have them valet-parked etc. making them perform more like a basic Ford Fiesta.

This should be an extreme clean torch, no limits. By all means put something in to calm it down, as long as it is unobtrusive to conscientious owners, and “muggles” can’t disable it by accident. Can’t advise how that might be done securely, that’s a UI design decision for others.

One please :slight_smile:

There are no free pins to sense the switch position, and no space on the board to put a switch.

There is already an informal BLF standard of sorts:

  • 1 click: on/mem
  • Hold: moon/low/ramp-up
  • 2 clicks: high/turbo/ceiling
  • 3 clicks: battcheck
  • 4 clicks: lockout
  • 5 clicks: momentary
  • 6 clicks: muggle

However, this is only “standard” in the sense that a few BLF lights use it.

The Emisar lights are different because it’s what Hank wanted. And because there wasn’t really a standard at all then.

I’d just as soon leave it out, since it uses space and I have no use for it. That could be an option too. I think I’ll go add that to the list.

change my vote to no option . lol See how easy I am to get along with.

This sounds like a good plan.

I actually started writing down some basic guidelines to help me think about similar issues. I’ve included it below as a starting point

  • “Muggles” use a flashlight because they want more light.
  • They use a flashlight because they want/need something portable, easily directed and/or free of the need for mains power.
  • When they have a flashlight in hand, they expect to find a way to turn it on.
  • Most expect an obvious switch.
  • Some may be trained by small maglights that twisting the head turns the light on.
  • When they operate the switch in the most obvious manner (like pressing a button) they expect what they came for — LIGHT!
  • They don’t expect moonlight/firefly mode they expect more light than that. If they don’t get it, they are apt to think the battery is dead/dying.
  • When they operate a switch, they expect the result to be immediately obvious. However, they may learn quickly if the light turns on after releasing the switch (rather than when it is first pushed), or after holding it down for a moment.
  • They expect that reversing or repeating the action that turned the light on will turn it off.
  • The second (3rd, 4th, etc) time they use the light, it should work the same way as the first time
  • If the light behaves unexpectedly (ie a hidden mode is triggered), doing the obvious thing (switching the light off) should return the light to its default/expected behavior.
  • Fumbling with the light, turning it off and on quickly, and other not uncommon deviations, should not activate hidden modes.
  • They don’t expect a flashlight to get dangerously or uncomfortably hot.
  • They don’t expect a flashlight to run through its battery in 15 minutes.
  • They don’t expect a flashlight to provoke an epileptic seizure.

These guidelines lead to some conclusions about “muggle mode”. I think they strongly suggest a light with a single mode maybe ~2.5W / 1C for an AA light. I think though that there is room for more modes, if one steps carefully. For example, in muggle mode, the light could always start on medium. Press and hold could cycle through additional modes (ie high, medium).

On the other hand, I am easily persuaded (not that my opinion is importat in this matter) that this light has no need of a muggle mode.

Hmm, I'm going to change my choice here. Personally, I'll choose No Muggle Mode Feature on the light. If someone else does come up with a workable Muggle mode, go for it! :) I'll still buy the light regardless :) But I'm choosing now to not have a dog in this fight (not enough tribal knowledge to know about standards and similar, etc.)

-Ben