Texas_Ace BLF Calibrated Lumen tube / Sphere No math skills needed - Several spheres still available

I decided to test out some different mediums across the TA Tube sensor to see if they are consistent.

I used my S2+ on medium measuring from 210 to 225 depending on whether I turned it off and back on. So I would leave it on and keep getting reference levels to eliminate any discrepancies.

I tested one layer of the wax tissue paper that I talked about earlier. I measured the lumen drop relative to the reference brightness level. I tested 10 different sections of a single sheet. Here are all 10 results showing the lumen drop in lowest to highest order:
24 24 27 27 27 32 35 35 37 37
Almost a 50% difference. So not very consistent, especially when doing multiple layers.

Next was a Walmart white plastic bag. I just did 4 samples from all over the bag. No printed sections and no folds. Here is the drop in lumens:
37 41 45 50
About a 35% difference. So again, not very consistent. (On average this particular white plastic bag gives me a correction factor of .80)

Lastly I did the same test as above using a Kroger grocery brown plastic bag. Here is the drop in lumens:
72 78 79 82
About a 14% difference. (On average this particular brown plastic bag gives me a correction factor of .65)

I think the trend is that the more light a medium blocks, the more consistent it is.

As I find more materials laying around the house I’ll try and give some accurate samples from it.

I think the bottom line is that when TA announces his official correction factor we will need to find some type of paper, plastic, etc… medium that drops the readings that exact amount and then not mess with it. For example, if different sections of the same plastic bag can vary so much, then we will need to cut out a specific section to use and reuse. Then not get it mixed up with a different bag or different section of bag. See what I mean?

Then we will be back to direct lumen readings right off the meter.

Edit: Or TA might mail out a medium. :smiley:

I assume TA is going to figure out something better than paper sheets / plastic bags etc. and send us the part that can then be permanently installed. (or tell us what/where to buy it)

Thanks, I also used fully charged 30q’s (stock button tops)

I was wondering about that one because it was coming up a lot higher with the plastic bags vs the deli paper.

Interesting info Jason. It really shows the variation & inconsistencies of different mediums…. even between the same medium.

I would be interested in sample lights., so I can compare.

Yes, I plan to figure out a more universal option. I cut out some acrylic discs yesterday that fit into the meter hole. So I can stick some form of diffuser to them to get the readings correct.

Great! I will pm the details shortly.

What types of diffuser material have you tried?

I’ve also just noticed that the readings change a noticeable amount depending on how far you push the Lux meter in the hole.

Yep, even 1mm will have a noticeable effect. The same goes for the 1st piece of PVC as well, how hard it is pressed in can have a surprisingly noticeable effect on the readings.

Now factor that by the 4 joints in the sphere (which you had to take apart to make any changes and then reassemble to measure and hope you got it together with the same force every time, which you never did) and you start to see the tip of the iceberg these were to calibrate lol.

Sounds great!

Missed this before, I have not tried much yet, until I have a more exact correction factor to aim for it is hard to know what will work.

I am thinking some form of DC-Fix type sheet is what I would like to use, unless I happen to find something that works perfectly. I am going to check home depot sometime to see what kind of options they have. Some very light window tint could work but I have a feeling it would drop the readings too much.

I also cut some discs out of the left over/broken diffusing sheets I used in the spheres to see if they happen to drop the readings by the right amount.

So i tested my fenix tk35ue… there is a guy name Kospap who tested the fenix tk35ue and we got similar result… I got 3486 lumen @30 seconds… below is his graph… look like my TA tube is working great with .70 factor.

How does Kospap measure it, does he have an integrating sphere like Maukka?

Edit: I see his review. He says he confirmed the lumen output, but he gives no details on how he did it.

Here is just a few.

all readings on original tube at 10 seconds

Olight S1 rated 500 aluminum side down 744 grey side down 710 AW16340 finishing charge 4.08
Zebralight SC62W 930 1245 1175 zebralight battery 4.10
Nitecore TM16GTVn 6300 6650 6540 unprotected 30Q 4.05
Thorefire VG10 847 1178 1050 30Q 4.02
Thorefire BLFQ8 5500 5880 5680 30Q 4.04
Niwalker mm18mbvn 8500 8480 8380 30q 4.05
Emisar D4 3826 4550 4360 30q 4.02
Emisar D1 1434 1828 1747 30q 4.04
4-7s Malestrom mmu-x3 1600 2520 2480 four sevens 4.01

I have no clue… i was reading it on cpf and it say light box… . we would have to send PM and asked him how he calibrated and stuff.

I sent PM to him… i will let you know.

We always put the reflective tape side down into the tube. This is the way TA calibrated it.

If you flip the spacer over to have the painted side down, you get unknown numbers.

Yes, the silver paint was an experiment to try to make things simpler but it didn’t work. Too bad, that reflective tape was way way more work then it seems.

I spent last night reading through all the posts - interesting stuff!

Curious, does ambient light impact the measurements at all? In other words, does it matter if the measurements are taken in a dark room vs outside in the sun?

The PVC is thick enough that the most I have ever really seen is 1-2 lumens from ambient light through the pipe itself.