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I find it interesting how many people want the super floody LH351D in a small EDC light. Much as I like my Emisar D4, if it was any floodier I’d find it impractical as a ‘jack of all trades’ pocket light. For the FW3A I’d much prefer to trade some CRI for a useful mix of flood and throw with the XP-L Hi.

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We’re definitely on the same page, but we’ll see how the poll goes. Also, as TK said, the poll indicates preference, but may or may not be what is available.

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Yep… I am on the same page with you two. It somewhat baffles me too for something that is supposed to be an all around EDC light.
But…. I guess that is what opinions & preferences are about, everybody has one.

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djozz wrote:

(I’d love to test but have never ordered from Digikey, sbipping kills ordering there)

Yes that’s a bummer. It seems the USA doesn’t like to do business anywhere else. Lots of things I’d like to buy there from small entrepreneurs, but no way with the daft postage charges (and customs duty on their imports, which don’t seem to happen with my Chinese purchases).

I last bought a custom bullet mould from a chap who understood the system, nevertheless it cost double by the time I got it.

Contrast this with e.g. led4power who can ship stuff around the world for minimal fees, from his base in Croatia. A great guy.

I’ll look around to see what can be got in the EU (still in it, for the time being).

A strip of e.g ten emitters shouldn’t be too expensive to post.

Perhaps a public-spirited USA resident could acquire some and bung them in an envelope ?

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Tom Tom wrote:

It seems the USA doesn’t like to do business anywhere else.

Is that really your conclusion? LOL!

I doubt Digikey is the only place to buy from, nothing in your country?
Check this thread: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/58883

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Well, if the others you’re so surprised to find exist chose the samsung for the same reasons I did; it’s probably that A] color quality (not just CRI) is actually quite important, and B] while this is going to have a floody beam, it’s still more than capable of being the dominant source of light versus everything in the nearest 2-300ft when it’s legitimately dark outside, and when it’s not, it’s plenty capable of lighting plenty of area. I expect an EDC light NOT to let me read billboards 1000ft away, because to do that it has to either produce an unpractical number of lumens, which tends to mean ugly but powerful emitters, or it has to give up at the very least the sort of floody beam that makes it practical at short to medium range outside for not tunnel visioning, for illuminating the underside of a car, the inside of a computer, the space behind/under things, etc. (I had a silicone diffuser for a convoy s; it sucked and eventually I lost it.) As for the color quality, I use the d4 219c to gauge colors of anything I’m considering buying where aesthetics matter and the color is dubious.

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That may be. But as has been stated by several others, it is doubtful the LH351D will make a good outdoor light or a good all around EDC light.

I have no doubt it will excell at looking for something under the kitchen sink or behind the washing machine, maybe even under the stove.

It will probably do very well determining the exact color of the boxers one is about to buy at the department store or the new living room drapes & carpet.

And as you said this….. “while this is going to have a floody beam, it’s still more than capable of being the dominant source of light versus everything in the nearest 2-300ft when it’s legitimately dark outside” … Personally I do not think it will have a snowballs chance of lighting up much of anything at 300 ft. whether it is legitimately dark outside or not. I do not think it will even come remotely close.

And as far as it “being the dominant source of light” at 300ft…… I find that very hard to believe. I find it hard to believe at way less than 300ft too.

And NO….. I do not care about being able to “read billboards 1000ft away” with this light (FW3A)… that is ridiculous.

But I would hope the FW3A would be a nice all around EDC… both indoors & out.

That…… is why I am hoping the XPL HI makes a miraculous comeback in the poll & wins. I personally am convinced it is & would be the best choice.

My opinion & choice.

Time will tell the outcome. Smile . Thumbs Up

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Tom Tom wrote:
djozz wrote:

(I’d love to test but have never ordered from Digikey, sbipping kills ordering there)

Yes that’s a bummer. It seems the USA doesn’t like to do business anywhere else. Lots of things I’d like to buy there from small entrepreneurs, but no way with the daft postage charges (and customs duty on their imports, which don’t seem to happen with my Chinese purchases).

I last bought a custom bullet mould from a chap who understood the system, nevertheless it cost double by the time I got it.

Contrast this with e.g. led4power who can ship stuff around the world for minimal fees, from his base in Croatia. A great guy.

I’ll look around to see what can be got in the EU (still in it, for the time being).

A strip of e.g ten emitters shouldn’t be too expensive to post.

Perhaps a public-spirited USA resident could acquire some and bung them in an envelope ?

Do your research (USPS.com , UPS.com, Fedex.com etc ) and you will see how expansive it is to ship things internationally from the US .

China on the other hand is the polar opposite, their state owned postal system is highly subsidized to help exporter so it costs much much less to ship things all over the world compared to countries with higher cost of living like the US, UK etc.

I occasionally order things from sellers in the UK, France and Italy. The shipping fee they charged is usually inline with what an US seller would charge to ship across the Atlantic.

Calling shipping charges of US sellers “Daft” is in my opinion an uninformed remark.

On the topic of customs duty on US imports, well that is what your UK government impose on items from the US, it is not something the US seller has any control over.

Just my two cents.

Cheers

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That may be. But as has been stated by several others, it is doubtful the LH351D will make a good outdoor light or a good all around EDC light.

I have no doubt it will excell at looking for something under the kitchen sink or behind the washing machine, maybe even under the stove.

It will probably do very well determining the exact color of the boxers one is about to buy at the department store or the new living room drapes & carpet.

And as you said this….. “while this is going to have a floody beam, it’s still more than capable of being the dominant source of light versus everything in the nearest 2-300ft when it’s legitimately dark outside” … Personally I do not think it will have a snowballs chance of lighting up much of anything at 300 ft. whether it is legitimately dark outside or not. I do not think it will even come remotely close.

And as far as it “being the dominant source of light” at 300ft…… I find that very hard to believe. I find it hard to believe at way less than 300ft too.

And NO….. I do not care about being able to “read billboards 1000ft away” with this light (FW3A)… that is ridiculous.

But I would hope the FW3A would be a nice all around EDC… both indoors & out.

That…… is why I am hoping the XPL HI makes a miraculous comeback in the poll & wins. I personally am convinced it is & would be the best choice.

My opinion & choice.

Time will tell the outcome. Smile . Thumbs Up

Yeah. What he said. Agreed 100%

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flashycali wrote:
Tom Tom wrote:
djozz wrote:

(I’d love to test but have never ordered from Digikey, sbipping kills ordering there)

Yes that’s a bummer. It seems the USA doesn’t like to do business anywhere else. Lots of things I’d like to buy there from small entrepreneurs, but no way with the daft postage charges (and customs duty on their imports, which don’t seem to happen with my Chinese purchases).

I last bought a custom bullet mould from a chap who understood the system, nevertheless it cost double by the time I got it.

Contrast this with e.g. led4power who can ship stuff around the world for minimal fees, from his base in Croatia. A great guy.

I’ll look around to see what can be got in the EU (still in it, for the time being).

A strip of e.g ten emitters shouldn’t be too expensive to post.

Perhaps a public-spirited USA resident could acquire some and bung them in an envelope ?

Do your research (USPS.com , UPS.com, Fedex.com etc ) and you will see how expansive it is to ship things internationally from the US .

China on the other hand is the polar opposite, their state owned postal system is highly subsidized to help exporter so it costs much much less to ship things all over the world compared to countries with higher cost of living like the US, UK etc.

I occasionally order things from sellers in the UK, France and Italy. The shipping fee they charged is usually inline with what an US seller would charge to ship across the Atlantic.

Calling shipping charges of US sellers “Daft” is in my opinion an uninformed remark.

On the topic of customs duty on US imports, well that is what your UK government impose on items from the US, it is not something the US seller has any control over.

Just my two cents.

Cheers

Well stated flashycali. Thumbs Up

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Well stated flashycali. Thumbs Up
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Put me down for 2 lights. I like where this threads been going the last few months.

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flashycali wrote:
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Do your research (USPS.com , UPS.com, Fedex.com etc ) and you will see how expansive it is to ship things internationally from the US .

China on the other hand is the polar opposite, their state owned postal system is highly subsidized to help exporter so it costs much much less to ship things all over the world compared to countries with higher cost of living like the US, UK etc.

I occasionally order things from sellers in the UK, France and Italy. The shipping fee they charged is usually inline with what an US seller would charge to ship across the Atlantic.

Calling shipping charges of US sellers “Daft” is in my opinion an uninformed remark.

On the topic of customs duty on US imports, well that is what your UK government impose on items from the US, it is not something the US seller has any control over.

Just my two cents.

Cheers

From UK (Royal Mail) I can post to USA in 5-7 days for:

20 grams £1.45
100 grams £2.25
2 kilos £13.30

How does that compare ?

When I did a trial shop at digikey for ten LEDs thinking to send them to djozz, they quoted nearly $60 for shipping. Which is ludicrous. And I have to pay duty on the total price including shipping, plus a handling fee of about £8 (there is no escape from duty on USA imports here, it’s a stitch-up between the monopoly US couriers and their counterparts in the UK. Even when the value is below the threshold for personal importation).

It is a real impediment to trade.

Whereas my Chinese stuff always sails through, and if it is from Banggood there is a decent chance it will ship from the EU warehouse (which is in the UK) meaning I get it in 2 days, with no worries. And not using subsidised China post, good old Royal Mail. My MF-01 purchase was a shining example, I had it a couple of weeks before anyone else.

Led4power can ship stuff anywhere from Croatia (which is not in the EU) for minimal fees.

The Netherlands decided to become the centre for EU post some years ago, by subsidising and gaming the reciprocal postage agreements, for a while all my business post was sent from Amsterdam, but that got stopped, they were taking the micky.

Postage charges are very important for trade, sadly the USA doesn’t recognise this, and leaves it to the “free market” AKA monopolist businesses. Who are either hideously inefficient, or creaming off immense profits.

Rant over.

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Thanks for trying, Tom Tom. Smile

Some new leds luckily appear quick at RS (a UK company) as well as Mouser/Digikey, mainly leds from Osram and Lumileds. RS charges just €2.50 shipping and they arrive overnight from England, so that is my first go-to shop for leds if possible.

But they are not up to date in Samsung leds, they just carry some LH351B leds.

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RoloFresh wrote:
I’d like to be put on the list for one.
Thanks!

You are number No. #1074 on: Interest List , Post # 4 , Page 1 ,

See:

RoloFresh wrote:
I’d also want one! Smile# Post , Sun, 03/04/2018 – 10:14

For a total of 1 lights .
How many Flashlight do you want in total? … x … units? .

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luisgcan wrote:
Interested for one

You are number No. #124 on: Interest List , Post # 4 , Page 1 ,
luisgcan wrote:
I’m sorry, it was my mistake. I only want 1.

Thank you very much

A greeting

Published in: # Post 6 of : https://www.forolinternas.com/

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GalaxyWide wrote:
Interested in one, possibly 2.

I’ll give you one.
Please say how many you want.
How many lanterns do you want in total? … x … units? .

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drjamesfox wrote:
I’m interested! Please add me to the list.

You are number No. # 815 on: Interest List , Post # 4 , Page 1 ,
drjamesfox wrote:
Please add me to the list. … # Post of Mon, 11/27/2017 – 05:17

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How many flashlights do you want in total? … x … units? .

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a_idoux wrote:
Interested in two. Thanks

You are number No. #1085 and 1086 on: Interest List , Post # 4 , Page 1 ,
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Int. in two lights please! Hope this goes through! … # Post of Mon, 03/19/2018 – 02:40

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How many lanterns do you want in total? … x … units? .

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samnavy wrote:
Put me down for 2 lights. I like where this threads been going the last few months.

You are number No. #651 on: Interest List , Post # 4 , Page 1 ,
samnavy wrote:
Count me in for one. In fact… count me in for at least one of every BLF Special Edition light from now on. # Post of Vie, 22/09/2017 – 17:46

Shall I give you two more for a total of three flashlights?
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I’ve heard doubts aplenty, but the fact is, it’s been nothing but vocal doubts that this amount of light could travel more than a few feet before becoming hopelessly useless. “maybe” under the stove? What, is your stove half a mile across? “Determining the exact color of the boxers(…)”? With that kind of attitude maybe I should determine the exact color of the boot targeted at Uranus.

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And as you said this….. “while this is going to have a floody beam, it’s still more than capable of being the dominant source of light versus everything in the nearest 2-300ft when it’s legitimately dark outside” … Personally I do not think it will have a snowballs chance of lighting up much of anything at 300 ft. whether it is legitimately dark outside or not. I do not think it will even come remotely close.
And as far as it “being the dominant source of light” at 300ft…… I find that very hard to believe. I find it hard to believe at way less than 300ft too.

You think, you doubt, you think. I have been in the dark, I know how much light it takes to see when there’s not streetlights and floodlights shining in your eyes. If it was truly dark outside, then the other sources of light can’t add up to much; let’s say a full moon even though I don’t consider moonlight dark (I can nearly read a book by it). It’s the wrong phase right now to compare versus that, but at the very least I might show what this rough amount of kcd at 300ft instead of 200 can do. Maybe I’ll try doing a video; of course I will have to turn it down if I go anywhere but an open field. My d4 219c turbo was enough for 200ft+ on a clear night; on a normal night the haze makes any light a bit less useful since more light just means more backscatter. If I get any haze, I might have to just do normal walking around rather than focusing on the infrequent longer ranges. Generally I either need to be able to search for things at a very far distance with a d1s or equivalent; or maybe to get a very good look at something in specific that was still somewhat distant. Otherwise, my edc is for when you need something to see what’s in the near area (50-150 ft, sometimes more): where are you, where are the buildings / vehicles / other things you’re navigating between, what’s near enough to you to be worth noticing, and where should you put your feet.

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A thought….there are quite a few flashlight users who disregard turbo and want thermally-stable output only. Now….FW3A won’t be the light with the highest output in the class, but the combination of ui, egronomics, price would still make it pretty unique. Would adding an option to stop the ramp at the highest sustainable level make FW3A more appealing to such users?

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The ceiling is set by default at full 7135 which is actually not that far off from what it can maintain with some emitters IIRC. I think xp-g3 was 800lm anyway.

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teacher wrote:
That may be. But as has been stated by several others, it is doubtful the LH351D will make a good outdoor light or a good all around EDC light.

I have no doubt it will excell at looking for something under the kitchen sink or behind the washing machine, maybe even under the stove.

It will probably do very well determining the exact color of the boxers one is about to buy at the department store or the new living room drapes & carpet.

And as you said this….. “while this is going to have a floody beam, it’s still more than capable of being the dominant source of light versus everything in the nearest 2-300ft when it’s legitimately dark outside” … Personally I do not think it will have a snowballs chance of lighting up much of anything at 300 ft. whether it is legitimately dark outside or not. I do not think it will even come remotely close.

And as far as it “being the dominant source of light” at 300ft…… I find that very hard to believe. I find it hard to believe at way less than 300ft too.

And NO….. I do not care about being able to “read billboards 1000ft away” with this light (FW3A)… that is ridiculous.

But I would hope the FW3A would be a nice all around EDC… both indoors & out.

That…… is why I am hoping the XPL HI makes a miraculous comeback in the poll & wins. I personally am convinced it is & would be the best choice.

My opinion & choice.

Time will tell the outcome. Smile . Thumbs Up

Being one of the few who actually has a Samsung 4000k triple, I would disagree. It makes an excellent EDC and can light up my entire yard and garage.. Stating things like excellent looking under a washer, sink or stove is quite purposefully misleading especially if you personally don’t own something in this configuration. This is not to be confused with a mule configuration that has no optic. This light is using an optic.

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maybe iam blind-its only this grey colour?whats the runtime on high with XPL?thanks a lot

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Firelight2 wrote:
For maximum brightness, use a large rubber band to bundle all 5 of your FW3As together…..
That’s crazy talk! Big Smile


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goshdogit wrote:
Firelight2 wrote:
For maximum brightness, use a large rubber band to bundle all 5 of your FW3As together…..
That’s crazy talk! Big Smile


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“seven BLF Q8s”:http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1258165#comment-1258165

Awesome! That bottom one looks like it would make a perfect pocket EDC!!! Silly
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I am interested. Please add me to the list for One FW3A.

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Tom Tom wrote:
That’s teacher for you.

Without his posts this thread would be half as long.

And twice as interesting.

More noise & exaggeration from you Tom Tom.

Your quoted post above was #3626.

As of that post I have indeed made 67 of them for 1.847%.
You have posted 59 times of the 3626 for a 1.627%.
So indeed I did outpost you by a whopping 0.220% in post count. Thumbs Up

But in length of post & lines written…… you would be the sure winner. Wink

So Tom Tom…..
…..your ‘declaration’ is somewhat akin to ‘the pot calling the kettle black’. Big Smile

At least try to be accurate in your future insult attempts Tom Tom…… Beer

As far as “interesting”….. that is subjective & depends on the individual listener. You certainly do not have a final say on that besides your own personal opinion.
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spaceminions wrote:
teacher wrote:
And as you said this….. “while this is going to have a floody beam, it’s still more than capable of being the dominant source of light versus everything in the nearest 2-300ft when it’s legitimately dark outside” … Personally I do not think it will have a snowballs chance of lighting up much of anything at 300 ft. whether it is legitimately dark outside or not. I do not think it will even come remotely close. And as far as it “being the dominant source of light” at 300ft…… I find that very hard to believe. I find it hard to believe at way less than 300ft too.
You think, you doubt, you think. I have been in the dark, I know how much light it takes to see when there’s not streetlights and floodlights shining in your eyes. If it was truly dark outside, then the other sources of light can’t add up to much; let’s say a full moon even though I don’t consider moonlight dark (I can nearly read a book by it). It’s the wrong phase right now to compare versus that, but at the very least I might show what this rough amount of kcd at 300ft instead of 200 can do.

I was cycling last night at 2am in a pretty remote rural area about 25km from home. Clear, no moon, the milky way shining bright overhead, so I knew it was dark. I stopped my bike and turned off my light to see how dark.

Wow! I could not even see the road right underneath me, even after letting my eyes dark adapt for a few minutes. I could make out the tree line where it met the starry sky, but that was it. It was actually rather scary, when I thought, “What would happen if my light broke or I ran out of batteries?” I would have been completely unable to navigate anywhere, even by foot, at least until twilight started to give me some light. (But I carried 4 lights and spare batteries, so I wasn’t worried.)

Any light at 300 ft., even a crappy low-power one, would have easily out-shined any stray light (of which there was virtually none). Even 0.01 lux would have allowed me to see where the road was.

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