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JasonWW wrote:
Sturgeon’s law is bunk. … I think it’s more of a psychological phenomenon rather than any actual facts.

That’s kind of the point. People’s judgements and complaints typically say more about the person than about the thing being judged. And that’s okay, as long as they recognize it, which I think Sturgeon’s Law attempts to do. Most things don’t appeal to most people, because of differences in taste. If anything, I’d estimate that 90% is generously optimistic. The actual ratio of music I don’t like is probably closer to 99%. I don’t even remember the last time I heard anything on the radio which appealed to me. But that doesn’t mean the music is actually crud; it just doesn’t fit my narrow range of tastes.

Okcupid did a similar study at one point, though the article seems to be gone ever since they restructured their site. They found that people who tried to appeal to a general audience got a lot of 3- and 4-star ratings, but very few at 1, 2, or 5 stars. They didn’t receive many messages and weren’t very successful at finding matches. Meanwhile, people who proudly flew their freak flags, openly displaying tattoos or unusual physical features or an entire wall of pokemon or whatever, received mostly 1-star and 5-star ratings. And they usually found matches fairly quickly.

In many endeavors, there is really no point in being mediocre… because being judged at only 3 or 4 stars isn’t good enough to get into Sturgeon’s 10% category of “not crud”. Instead, it works better to identify and amplify uncommon traits. That means getting a whole lot of 1- and 2-star ratings, but for the people who like it, they’ll really really like it and, in their minds, it’s not 5 stars… it’s more like 500.

So, with that in mind… 90% of adages are crud, including Sturgeon’s Law. Thumbs Up

I just hope the FW3A won’t be crud.

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… I don’t even remember the last time I heard anything on the radio which appealed to me.

My last one was Alice Merton: No Roots , last year.

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My last one was Alice Merton: No Roots , last year.

Ooh that one is good, I keep forgetting to go listen to the rest of her music and see if anything else stands out.

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This light is begging for some colored anodization with the new shape.

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JasonWW wrote:
Sturgeon’s law is bunk. … I think it’s more of a psychological phenomenon rather than any actual facts.

That’s kind of the point. People’s judgements and complaints typically say more about the person than about the thing being judged. And that’s okay, as long as they recognize it, which I think Sturgeon’s Law attempts to do. Most things don’t appeal to most people, because of differences in taste. If anything, I’d estimate that 90% is generously optimistic. The actual ratio of music I don’t like is probably closer to 99%. I don’t even remember the last time I heard anything on the radio which appealed to me. But that doesn’t mean the music is actually crud; it just doesn’t fit my narrow range of tastes.

Okcupid did a similar study at one point, though the article seems to be gone ever since they restructured their site. They found that people who tried to appeal to a general audience got a lot of 3- and 4-star ratings, but very few at 1, 2, or 5 stars. They didn’t receive many messages and weren’t very successful at finding matches. Meanwhile, people who proudly flew their freak flags, openly displaying tattoos or unusual physical features or an entire wall of pokemon or whatever, received mostly 1-star and 5-star ratings. And they usually found matches fairly quickly.

In many endeavors, there is really no point in being mediocre… because being judged at only 3 or 4 stars isn’t good enough to get into Sturgeon’s 10% category of “not crud”. Instead, it works better to identify and amplify uncommon traits. That means getting a whole lot of 1- and 2-star ratings, but for the people who like it, they’ll really really like it and, in their minds, it’s not 5 stars… it’s more like 500.

So, with that in mind… 90% of adages are crud, including Sturgeon’s Law. Thumbs Up

I just hope the FW3A won’t be crud.


This reminds me of a quote I read not very long ago. I dismissed it at first, but quickly realized the root message of the quote was actually true: Normal is just the average of abnormal! And I think people intuitively know this, so we subconsciously steer clear of people who are “too normal” because we’re afraid of the hidden “abnormal” that might show itself later.

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I would be interested in one. Thanks!

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ToyKeeper wrote:

So, with that in mind… 90% of adages are crud, including Sturgeon’s Law. Thumbs Up

I just hope the FW3A won’t be crud.

Likewise. Meanwhile whilst I wait I’ll read a bit of Philip K. Dick, not crud. I could also suggest a reading list of “not crud”.

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Yeah, teacher, sometimes a lazy afternoon of good music, and a brew if that’s your thing, is a very good day.

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Yeah, teacher, sometimes a lazy afternoon of good music, and a brew if that’s your thing, is a very good day.
Amen my friend!!! .. Well said…… Wink .. Beer

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I am interested in one.

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adnj wrote:
This light is begging for some colored anodization with the new shape.

Good idea. Party


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That purple looks real good, so does the gray. Wink

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Add me to the list for one please.

For the finish I would prefer grey but I’d be happy with any of the options, except maybe bare.

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I agree with those two, and I ALWAYS like orange.
This is not meant to be negative, it is just a thought. I wonder if it would make such a small light look cheap or toylike.
I would be a buyer regardless of color though, so I guess it would come back to earlier thoughts in this thread about letting Fritz make aesthetic decisions on his design.

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After taking a closer look… I would have to agree that orange looks pretty darn good too. Thumbs Up

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I like them all except the “powder blue” one.

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Dark grey ZL style would look sweet

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teacher wrote:
That purple looks real good, so does the gray. Wink

Neal did a S2+ giveaway thread where people entered by posting the color they wanted, and the most popular color was purple.

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That purple looks real good, so does the gray. Wink
Neal did a S2+ giveaway thread where people entered by posting the color they wanted, and the most popular color was purple.
Darn, I missed that thread….. FacepalmWink But the purple would be my first choice of the three I mentioned. It has a ‘royal’ look to it. Smile

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It’s a Barney special.

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Which is obviously not a bad thing.

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theres a purple one?????

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lohtse wrote:
theres a purple one?????

Yes, in addition to the regular red, blue and green. This is Convoy, though. I don’t know if Lumintop has access to the same silver and grays as they do.

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adnj wrote:
This light is begging for some colored anodization with the new shape.

Good idea. Party


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The prototype gray was fine to me except for the “seams” in the finish. I never noticed them on the earlier pics.


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The prototype gray was fine to me except for the “seams” in the finish. I never noticed them on the earlier pics.

Same here. The “seams” would have been dismissed even if noticed though because one is used to seeing reflections and lighting artefacts in photographs that look like that, and ignoring them as not likely part of the object.

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Purple ?

Well, bring it on, as long as it’s true Tyrian purple made of sea snails. That would be a first. Not some cheap Azo dye.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrian_purple

Don’t do a cheapie by dying it indigo, like blue jeans, I’d rather cover myself in woad and dance around naked (it’s my heritage).

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A question about thermal regulation:

At the moment, Anduril uses a thermal regulation method which knows nothing about the actual host characteristics or driver. It simply senses “overheating” or “underheating” like a user-adjustable thermostat, with some information about magnitude, like the degrees of excess multiplied by how long it has been in that condition. From this, it attempts to find a happy medium, with the adjustment speed determined by the magnitude. It’s fairly universal and typically works well with no need to hardcode anything about the host itself. Also, the adjustments are so smooth they’re basically invisible without a lux meter.

But.

On such a small and overpowered light, like the FW3A, overheating can happen so fast that it barely even has time to react. By the time it senses that things are trending too high, the light could already by too hot to touch. It works fine on a larger host like a Q8, or at a more reasonable power level like 3 Amps, because sensor lag is much less of a factor there.

So I’m wondering if I should change it. It currently regulates fine from the default ceiling level of ~1100 lm, but it doesn’t drop fast enough from full turbo.

Instead, I could make it drop immediately (or at least very very quickly) to the highest regulated level of ~1100 lm whenever it senses any overheating condition while the FET is active. Even if it’s over by just 1 degree for just a few seconds, it’d trigger a full turbo step-down and shut off the direct drive circuit. Maybe it’d still do the smooth ramp-down, but it would no longer be invisible — it’d be fast enough to see, like 4 seconds. And since there’s thermal lag, it might continue to regulate downward for bit afterward, overshooting its ideal target level, but at least the host wouldn’t get anywhere near as hot as a slower method.

Although dropping from 100% power to ~25% power is a huge change in the amount of heat generated, to the eye it looks more like it’s going from 100% to 80%. Effectively, it looks like dropping only one level.

So.

What do people prefer?

  • Smooth but slow universal method which allows full turbo to run longer but may require the user to exercise common sense and turn the brightness down manually sometimes.
  • Fast drop to a hardcoded level which is safer but may potentially be a little oversensitive and uses code instead of common sense to enforce “turbo is for brief use only”.

There is also still a muggle mode, which probably couldn’t start a fire even if someone wrapped it in dark-colored insulation with a low ignition temperature. So, use that for the kids. The question is how it should behave in non-muggle mode.

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TK, I know nothing about these aspects but:

- as flashaholic and as a person that knows that these are not toys, I would prefer option A, meaning that I would be responsible to take care of the light and turn it OFF or cool it down if needed (except, maybe, in unattended conditions).

- as a person that knows that [besides the thousands of enthusiast members that are in the GB lists to get 1 or more of these lights] there will be a sale of the FW3A beyond our lists, for “muggles” or not so “aware” people, I would carefully ponder option B.

I am inclined to say more A, however Evil

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Of the two options, I prefer the first:  "Smooth but slow universal method...".  I like the idea of more direct control of the light's output.

 

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I can see points for both options, but I do know that I use my D4 less often than I intended to when I bought it because of the potential for burned fingers and lighting pants on fire (even if I’m not lying!). I carry a variety of flashlights, use them most days, know how to be safe and understand the dangers and I still can see the value in the second option.

Turbo in a light this size is not a feature that I’d use often. I’d show off to friends and family with it or use it if I need a lot of light quickly. Neither of those situations require minutes (or even a single minute) of turbo so I’m not so worried about a stepdown at the first sign of overheating.

I can guess that there are a bunch of folks who hate the thought of throttling down a light with this much potential, but I think that the second option is wisest.

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What about an additional “expert mode”?
That might not be optimal from the manufacturers’s point of view, though. LOL

Btw: Btw: With this lamp you could – if not yet available – make a master degree in control engineering. A self-optimizing deadbeat algorithm would be fine.:D

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