[SALE] lighted TIR boards, multicolored with low battery waning and LVP

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[SALE] lighted TIR boards, multicolored with low battery waning and LVP

how it began can be read here
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/59061#comment-1355514

each generation adds more features

Generation 1 was only a step in design, never build those

Generation 2 2 groups of LEDs or rainbow added voltage stabilisation
2.8V 18uA LDO used to keep brightness stable down to about 3V battery voltage
trimmer optional

Generation 3 2 groups and low battery LED(s) added low battery warning and LVP
lights up with constant brightness
low battery: 2 groups get switched off and red LED turns on to indicate low battery
LVP: at 3V all LEDs are switched off 2.8V LDO and IC standby current of 40uA remain
low battery and LVP can be set to custom voltages above 3V

any color combinations are possible each LED could have a different color

D4 based on genetration 2 tail light boards

D4S based on generation 3
Low Battery color switchand LVP shutdown

D4

first prototype of D4

D4S 33mm 3 seperate trimmers to adjust inner and outer LEDs

prototype D4S in pink/green

ROT66 next to D4S

MF01

LEDs as you wish colors and patterns
450nm blue, pink, red, orange, yellow, green, ice blue, WW, CW (the yellowisch green is too inefficient)

[LED colors] (top are most efficient, bottom inefficient)

LED color and each single LED current based on my “medium 0.5mA” brightness level

green 19.1uA
blue 21.2uA
ice blue 25.2uA
pink 30.7uA
CW 38.7uA
WW 40.2uA
red 50.9uA
orange 124uA
yellow 206uA

my LED brightness scale is based on my Rainbow+WW boards total current while LEDs seem same brightness

basically I have 5 levels “1mA”, “0.75mA”, “0.5mA”, “0.3mA” and “0.15mA”
this does only reflect on rainbow boards with WW the total current drawn

on the boards the total current depends on used colors and brightness level (“0.15-1mA”)

for example you order a “0.3mA” pink/green Emisar D4 all 14 LEDs equipped
total current 250uA
now we add 20k trimmers for brightness adjustment
total current at min trimmer level 100uA

It is possible to define a total current consumtion with trimmers on max position
I got a very complex table to calculate the needed resistances

Edited by: Lexel on 01/31/2019 - 15:37
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prices:

D4 5€
D4S 8€
ROT66 9€
MF01 12€

up to 3 colors add 0.5€
4 or more +1€

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boards with trimmers get build with your specification as close as possible

min and max current should be given on single and two color boards

on multi color boards it gets more complicated so I try first to balance the LEDs at one current

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You heard me Big Smile
I love it, I can’t wait to add some amber afterglow to my D4 !

EDIT : will it be constantly ON ? do I need a new firmware ?

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Interested Wink

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Very interested. Will this potentially affect mode memory like the lighted tail switch?

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SKV89 wrote:
Very interested. Will this potentially affect mode memory like the lighted tail switch?

Seeing as all the lights in his example are e-switch it may not even work correctly on mechanical switches but I guess we will see

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SKV89 wrote:
Very interested. Will this potentially affect mode memory like the lighted tail switch?

my Bistro HD OTSM drivers are not affected by a bleeder resistor for tail switch lighted
on e-switch lights nothing gets affected by switch or TIR LEDs

but a Tail clicky light with TIR has the problem as no ground is available when the tail is off, so wont work

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Interested in D4 board. Though I don’t fully understand what it is. Wink

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first Emisar D4 sucessfully modded
as I had no feedback on the solder pads distance the first batch is 0.7mm off but no problem to solder even 0.75mm² wires if carefully filed the holes to one shape

the ones with Gen 3 LVP will be different, holes distance will be right and no filing as I routed wires between the 3 center holes

This is first board made, I had some mishaps like blowing it with hot air from reflow plate as the 0.6mm thick weights like nothing half the components fell of
ripped solder pad removing a resistor but in the end it works
Note that I have not ordered yet 0402 resistors so they are all 0603 too big for pads but it works at least, the 2 capacitors are 0402 and fit nicely

also replaced the original 0.35mm² wired with 0.75mm²
future board will look nicer

flashed NarsilM v1.2 on the Emisar

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Wow!!

Some PINK leds would go a looong way towards justifying multiple D4S purchases to my wife.

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What drivers will this work on? Any e-switch?

I’m considering getting a D4 now…

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I am interested in this.

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Oh wow…I am really interested.

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I’d be interested in an e-switch version… Possibly for a bigger light like the L6 or the S70.

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X3 wrote:
You heard me Big Smile
I love it, I can’t wait to add some amber afterglow to my D4 !

EDIT : will it be constantly ON ? do I need a new firmware ?


Lexel ?

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Lexel wrote:
SKV89 wrote:
Very interested. Will this potentially affect mode memory like the lighted tail switch?

my Bistro HD OTSM drivers are not affected by a bleeder resistor for tail switch lighted
on e-switch lights nothing gets affected by switch or TIR LEDs

but a Tail clicky light with TIR has the problem as no ground is available when the tail is off, so wont work

How about adding a bleeder between the spring pad and ground pad on the clicky board itself?

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Fady wrote:
Lexel wrote:
SKV89 wrote:
Very interested. Will this potentially affect mode memory like the lighted tail switch?

my Bistro HD OTSM drivers are not affected by a bleeder resistor for tail switch lighted
on e-switch lights nothing gets affected by switch or TIR LEDs

but a Tail clicky light with TIR has the problem as no ground is available when the tail is off, so wont work

How about adding a bleeder between the spring pad and ground pad on the clicky board itself?

problem is the driver as the MCU want to power up

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X3 wrote:
X3 wrote:
You heard me Big Smile
I love it, I can’t wait to add some amber afterglow to my D4 !

EDIT : will it be constantly ON ? do I need a new firmware ?


Lexel ?

with normal D4 firmware it will be constant on as it has in the firmware the LED output pin not used
simply connect to LED+ and ground

D4S firmware has the LED pin used

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I would love to buy one of these with amber LEDs to replace the blue in my D4S. I am looking to make a no-blue nightlight mode. Also would be interested in amber or red for the D4. Lexel, any idea when these will be available for sale?

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Oh yes! Really interested in this for the D4 Big SmileBeerBeerBeer

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Soooo when can we buy them for the D4 ? Silly

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They are already for sale

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I’ve been thinking about using aux LEDs for illumination and the terrible beam shape that they produce. I see 3 possible fixes…and both might be hard to implement.

1. Mount them up on a pole, so they are close to the flat part of TIR
2. Add a light pipe above them to channel the light up to the flat part of TIR
3. Use optics legs as a light pipe

Is any of these doable in practice? If so is any of these a good idea?
Any other ideas?

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Agro wrote:
I’ve been thinking about using aux LEDs for illumination and the terrible beam shape that they produce. I see 3 possible fixes…and both might be hard to implement.

1. Mount them up on a pole, so they are close to the flat part of TIR
2. Add a light pipe above them to channel the light up to the flat part of TIR
3. Use optics legs as a light pipe

Is any of these doable in practice? If so is any of these a good idea?
Any other ideas?

the none symetrical diamond like sparkling makes the lighted TIR, its not wanted to be a symetrical light coming out of the front

BTW I finished first Prototype of D1 TIR with direct sight on the LEDs, I also have made a board that indirect lights the gasket, but not made one yet

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It’s out of your focus…OK. Though I’m still interested. Wink
The reason is that good thrower LEDs tend to have low CRI, you can have either throw or CRI but not both. OK, it’s a bit too harsh to say that you get no throw – you get some but not just a bit less; it’s way less.
Aux white illumination (f.e. with Oslon Pure) could shift that constraint. You get either high output and throw or CRI and flood. Which is not that bad tradeoff if you ask me…but the beam shape is a show stopper.

On another topic:
Lux-RC lights have a nice feature: they have a photo detector used in 2 ways:

  • for programming
  • to detect accidental activation, f.e. in a pocket – it sees the light from the main LEDs reflected back towards the light.

The second use case is what I’m thinking about now. A LED works both ways. ToyKeeper has experimented with using the main LED as a photo detector and programming the light with it. Cool trick. You can’t do this to detect accidental activation because your main LED is on.
But when your main emitter is on – AUX ones are off. Maybe they could be used to notice accidental light activation?

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Agro wrote:

The second use case is what I’m thinking about now. A LED works both ways. ToyKeeper has experimented with using the main LED as a photo detector and programming the light with it. Cool trick. You can’t do this to detect accidental activation because your main LED is on.
But when your main emitter is on – AUX ones are off. Maybe they could be used to notice accidental light activation?

LOL…some believe that Lux-RC does it just like that:
www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?453333-Where-is-the-light-se...
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MF01 added

so far we got
just resistors for each LED and 2 trimmers
D1
D1S

constant brightness without LVP
D4

with LVP and color change
D4S

ROT66

MF01 under development, first board contains an error

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This looks so nice. I have been interested in this for my D4 for some time now. I see in the first post how to order (I think), but I would like to ask a couple questions.

1. Where can I see video/pictures of all the colors?
2. Does this board just mount on top of my existing D4 MCPCB and pick up power from the traces somehow, or is there wiring involved?
3. Do I just PM you an order, and you send me a paypal invoice, or something else?

thanks, Matt

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1. its hard to get proper pictures from a digicam
here a picture from testing out the brightness to calculate the resistors, for my eye all colors were evenly bright

from left to right
blue, pink, red, orange, yellow, green1, green2, Ice blue, WW, CW

the one green1 is very inefficient(even worse than yellow) at the currents we use it
the more purplish changed with last batches to more magenta pink, seems they changed the phosphor

2. for the D4 you need at least to connect it to battery + and – so at lerast one wire needs to go to the driver
so best is to flash D4S firmware and use the pad for the Aux LED output its there on all D4 lights but was unused

3. yes PM me for order

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