similarities Utorch S1 Mini, Klarus Mi1c, Olight Minis, and Sunwayman

added Fenix E16, preliminary… I invite more accurate info, for example, should I also list a Cool White option (Fenix E16R), and does anyone know if the tailmagnet is removable, and if the beam is similar to the Olight S1 Mini?

Size / weight data straight from manufacturers:
Olight S1 mini 21*54 mm, 43g
Olight S mini CU 21*54.5 mm, 54g
Olight S mini Ti 21*54.5 mm, 31.5g
Utorch S1 Mini 59.4*20.6 mm, 28g
Klarus Mi1C Alu 54.5*20.5mm, 27g
Klarus Mi1C Ti 54.5*20.5mm, 33.2g
Klarus Mi1C Cu 54.5*20.5mm, 56g
Klarus Mi1C HCI 54.5*20.5mm, 26g
Sunwayman T16R 59*26mm, 30.8g
MecArmy PT16 69*30mm, 45g
Fenix E16 51*21.1mm, 21g

Olight S1 Mini Al seems too heavy, maybe they include battery?
Also Klarus Mi1C weighs less in HICRI. :smiley:

Thanks for your contribution!
I added the weights to the feature charts posted above also

I agree Olight S1 Mini weight is way overstated above
the Utorch S1 mini weight is understated above
I removed the lights I dont have from the list below, these are their actual weights on my scale:

these are empty weights, no battery, AND no clip. Posted clip weight separately, so people can add those in if desired. (I remove clips for personal preference, so clip weight is separate)
Olight S1 mini 21*54 mm, 21.2g clip +5.2g
Olight S mini CU 21*54.5 mm, 52.3g clip +3.2g
Olight S mini Ti 21*54.5 mm, 28.5g clip +3.2g
Utorch S1 Mini 59.4*20.6 mm, 30.5g clip +3.1g
MecArmy PT16 69*30mm, 54g

I think dimensions deserve a mention too. F.e. Sunwayman is quite large for its weight.

thanks for the reminder, updated the chart w weights, thanks for collecting the data

Great info.

Maybe-correction: E16 probably doesn’t come with a TIR but with a lens-reflector hybrid. I doubt it’s narrow, but maybe…

I believe the E16 does use a short TIR, but may be mistaken. Fenix calls it an “optical lens” and shows it compared to what I would call a TIR, hence I consider the E16 lens a short TIR.

As far as narrow or wide, my definition of a narrow beam includes the Olight S Mini and Olight S1 Mini. They are basically a wide hotspot, but not as wide as the spill on a conventional reflector beam. I call it narrow, because when I use an Olight as a headlamp, I have to move my head a lot, to keep the bright beam on whatever Im doing with my hands.

My only reference for the beam on the E16 is the German Video. It shows a very round beam, no hotspot, hence, I think TIR, similar to Olight beam.

By contrast the Aspheric lens of the Utorch S1 Mini, is a huge flood of even light. When used as a headlamp, I do not need to move my head, just my eyes, to be able to see everything in my hands, out to shoulder width, easily.

For my arms length headlamp use, a conventional reflector, such as on my Lumintop Tool, forces me to move my head constantly, to keep the hotspot aimed at whatever is in my hands. I do not like reflector beams for arms length. I dont like the Olight TIR any better. I consider both give me a narrow field of bright light at arms length.

these are just my thoughts, Im open to others perspective. Some people for example, might consider the beam from an Olight TIR to be “wide”, and it is certainly “wide-er” than the hotspot from my Tool, when shining across a room…

Here is an example of an Aspheric, then an Olight TIR, and a conventional reflector on a Tool.

the lights are, left to right, Utorch S1 Mini w Aspheric and 2000k E21A, stock Olight Ti S Mini w TIR and NW XM-L, Lumintop Tool w reflector and N219b 4500k 9080

Personally, Im very disappointed with the Tint of the Ti S Mini. I would sell that light for $40 shipped Conus, if anyone wants it, PM me.

Here is my best guess on how does the E16 lens work.
I think the central part refracts some light, focusing it forwards. It somehow redirects outward light towards reflector, possibly using total internal reflection for that. Then reflector makes a forwards-facing beam out of it.
Regardless if I’m right or wrong about that, I really don’t think this is just a TIR.

thanks for the link and info
you may be right that it is a Hybrid that relies on a reflector, not just fully TIR

whatever it is or does, I look forward to someone posting side by side beamshots of the E16 and an S Mini, so we can see how the beams compare.

Me too.

I am curious about the Fenix E16, I hope someone does a review.
Im even more curious about the Klarus Mi1C High CRI.

Olight S1R II

The S1R use a unique IMR battery with the positive and negative on the same end, to work with the magnetic charger. Its a convenient package, but, Im not very comfortable with the exposed charge ring on the tailcap…

otoh, if you want to use the light to start fires, here is how to do it:

Also that IMR battery is UNProtected, so, BAD idea to use it in any of the S1 Mini or S Mini, that lack the protection circuit built into the S1R. I gave my S1R to one of my adult children as a house light. I did not want to keep it around, due to the non standard battery.

Some more info: throwiness. Based on manufacturer data.
Mi1c Al: 0.7 cd/lm
Mi1c HCRI: 4.1 cd/lm
Mi1c Ti/Cu: 4.8 cd/lm
Olight S1 Mini Ti: 5.5 cd/lm
Olight S1 Mini Baton: 7.0 cd/lm
Fenix E16: 7.2 cd/lm
Don’t have the numbers for the others.

ADDED: I see that E16 uses XP-L HI while S1 Mini Baton uses XM-L2.
This means that with XP-L HI S1 Mini would be able to collimate the beam to very roughly 14 cd/lm. Olight optics is way throwier than Fenix one…

thank you! this tells me the M1c High CRI has a hotspot, like the Ti/CU

do you own these lights?:
can you share your thoughts on the Mi1C High CRI tint, maybe post a photo of it next to the Ti S Mini and Ti Mi1c

Also
for those times when Sundrop style floody High CRI beam, w No Hotspot, is desired…
Does the Aspheric lens from the Mi1c Al, work on the Mi1C High CRI? (without the shiny reflector)

These numbers are from the manufacturers. I am unable to answer your questions.

Has anyone opened E16? I have Ti version, but cannot unscrew the bezel.

it works like this

@g_damian

I don’t know about the Ti version but the Al version is “press fit” similar to the Olight in the video above.

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