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Osram Oslon Boost HX

Oslon Boost HX is a new automotive projection LED from Osram.

https://www.osram-group.com/en/media/press-releases/pr-2018/27-09-2018

 

⇒ According to Osram its a 4 x 4mm package with a 2 mm2 die, who shines 1400lm @ 6A.

If I look closer to the high resolution picture, I measure a die width of 1.072mm, thats only 1.15mm2!

Can it be possible?? (2mm2 is 1.414mm width)

 

 

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I’m eager for a datasheet. The press release mentions a separate thermal pad, which means it has a decent chance of being usable on existing 3535 or 5050 MCPCBs.

I hope it comes in 4000K or warmer.

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Cool That is overdriven dedomed XP-G2 luminance within the specs. All depends on what happens over 6A, can much gain be had by overdriving the led?

I hope it hits the market, our market, sooner than the Black Flat S, which is announced at Mouser for half a year now with nothing happening.

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Looks promising. I also like that it comes domeless. Thumbs Up

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Owwwww snap. I’m wondering which retailer will be the first to sell this mini beast. Kaidomain? Aliexpress?

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Sooo, what about its colour rendering index? ( ͡°ᴥ ͡° ʋ)

 

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Here is some information I could find

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KW CULPM1.TG
Key characteristics:

Color: Cx=0,32, Cy=033, acc. to CIE 1931 (white)
lnom: 6 A
lmax: 6.6 A
Phiv @ Inom pmin: 1400 lm
Luminance: >200 cd/mm²
Rth JS real typ.: 1.8 K/W
Rth JS el typ.: 1.3 K/W
Vf typ.: 3.35 V
Dimensions: 4 × 4 × 0,73

Looking at these, 1,400 lm, if achieved at 6A 3.35V, comes to 70 lm/W.

The package is 4 × 4mm thermally-enhanced ceramic, with an electrically isolated bottom pad.

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zak.wilson wrote:
I’m eager for a datasheet. The press release mentions a separate thermal pad, which means it has a decent chance of being usable on existing 3535 or 5050 MCPCBs.

I hope it comes in 4000K or warmer.


Well, led4power already has 4040 MCPCB’s that might fit better. Wink

EDIT: Oh, imagine using his 4040/5050 MCPCB for the Q8 with four of these. Cool

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AlexGT wrote:
Here is some information I could find

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KW CULPM1.TG
Key characteristics:

Color: Cx=0,32, Cy=033, acc. to CIE 1931 (white)
lnom: 6 A
lmax: 6.6 A
Phiv @ Inom pmin: 1400 lm
Luminance: >200 cd/mm²
Rth JS real typ.: 1.8 K/W
Rth JS el typ.: 1.3 K/W
Vf typ.: 3.35 V
Dimensions: 4 × 4 × 0,73

Looking at these, 1,400 lm, if achieved at 6A 3.35V, comes to 70 lm/W.

The package is 4 × 4mm thermally-enhanced ceramic, with an electrically isolated bottom pad.


May beat KW CSLPM1.TG. Which handles 6A in pulses (up to 0.1s) and 5A continuously. Has Vf of over 3.5V. But the top bin does c.a. 1800-2000 lm at 6A. The minimum flux of the lowest bin at 6A is near 1300 lm. Thermal resistance real 2.6, electrical – don’t bother to calculate. ;P
And has a non-square die.

ADDED: For a 2 mm² Lambertian emitter, 1400 lm is 222 cd/mm².

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That sounds amazing, 200cd/mm2 stock should be like 300+ once we overdrive it on DTP MCPCBs Big Smile
Can’t wait, this will be a serious upgrade over the black flat, unlike the CSLNM1.TG which is only a slight improvement.

However, it will be many months or several years before we can actually get some of these LEDs.
The CSLNM1 isn’t even available yet in multiples less than 1000 Sad

Regardless, laser phosphor is still a better option for ultimate throw.
This LED will be good for normal LED flashlights.

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Where to find 4×4 center ring for black flat or luxeon V ?
Led4power not have

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Niko wrote:
Where to find 4×4 center ring for black flat or luxeon V ?
Led4power not have

Make your own by reaming a 3.5×3.5mm centering ring.

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Niko wrote:
Where to find 4x4 center ring for black flat or luxeon V ?

When faced with the need to use a 5050 reflector centering ring over a 3535 emitter, I've succeeded by carefully glueing the centering ring over the emitter board. This glue (for example) works well and any excess is easily cleaned with alcohol.

 

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Thanks for idea but other center rings are too high for this emitters. Is not easy shave to focus

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Niko wrote:
Thanks for idea but other center rings are too high for this emitters. Is not easy shave to focus

Sanding down the centering ring is an option. A bit of trial and error may be involved, of course.

 

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Barkuti wrote:

Niko wrote:
Thanks for idea but other center rings are too high for this emitters. Is not easy shave to focus

Sanding down the centering ring is an option. A bit of trial and error may be involved, of course.


 


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Looks like they listened to us! A bigger package improves the performance .

This will probably go in my big thrower. I had been planning to use the LED Enderman mentioned, but this one will be even better.

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Looks like they listened to us! A bigger package improves the performance.

And they introduced a neutral thermal pad! Now some praying for the Lumileds 4040 lay-out.
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djozz wrote:
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Looks like they listened to us! A bigger package improves the performance.
And they introduced a neutral thermal pad! Now some praying for the Lumileds 4040 lay-out.

The other new Osram LEDs that Enderman mentioned already have that. That’s no surprise in this regard.

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Enderman wrote:
That sounds amazing, 200cd/mm2 stock should be like 300+ once we overdrive it on DTP MCPCBs Big Smile
Can’t wait, this will be a serious upgrade over the lack flat, unlike the CSLNM1.TG which is only a slight improvement.

However, it will be many months or several years before we can actually get some of these LEDs.
The CSLNM1 isn’t even available yet in multiples less than 1000 Sad

Regardless, laser phosphor is still a better option for ultimate throw.
This LED will be good for normal LED flashlights.


Multiples of 1000 you say? If it’s worth it, BLF can pull off that quantity easily in a group buy. It is rare to see that many bare emitters bought in a GB, but if this new one is as good as it might be, I don’t think 1000 or even 2000 pcs is a problem to reach.

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DavidEF wrote:
Enderman wrote:
That sounds amazing, 200cd/mm2 stock should be like 300+ once we overdrive it on DTP MCPCBs Big Smile
Can’t wait, this will be a serious upgrade over the lack flat, unlike the CSLNM1.TG which is only a slight improvement.

However, it will be many months or several years before we can actually get some of these LEDs.
The CSLNM1 isn’t even available yet in multiples less than 1000 Sad

Regardless, laser phosphor is still a better option for ultimate throw.
This LED will be good for normal LED flashlights.


Multiples of 1000 you say? If it’s worth it, BLF can pull off that quantity easily in a group buy. It is rare to see that many bare emitters bought in a GB, but if this new one is as good as it might be, I don’t think 1000 or even 2000 pcs is a problem to reach.

They do this because the LEDs are not available yet. We just need to wait.

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The_Driver wrote:
DavidEF wrote:
Enderman wrote:
That sounds amazing, 200cd/mm2 stock should be like 300+ once we overdrive it on DTP MCPCBs Big Smile
Can’t wait, this will be a serious upgrade over the lack flat, unlike the CSLNM1.TG which is only a slight improvement.

However, it will be many months or several years before we can actually get some of these LEDs.
The CSLNM1 isn’t even available yet in multiples less than 1000 Sad

Regardless, laser phosphor is still a better option for ultimate throw.
This LED will be good for normal LED flashlights.


Multiples of 1000 you say? If it’s worth it, BLF can pull off that quantity easily in a group buy. It is rare to see that many bare emitters bought in a GB, but if this new one is as good as it might be, I don’t think 1000 or even 2000 pcs is a problem to reach.

They do this because the LEDs are not available yet. We just need to wait.


OK. I must have misunderstood. I thought Enderman was saying that the CSLNM1 are available, but only in qty 1000 or greater.

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Enderman wrote:

Can't wait, this will be a serious upgrade over the lack flat, unlike the CSLNM1.TG…

LoL! 

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Is this a 3v led? Being designed for the automotive industry that wouldn’t be my first guess. Why is “boost” in the name?

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DavidEF wrote:
The_Driver wrote:
DavidEF wrote:
Enderman wrote:
That sounds amazing, 200cd/mm2 stock should be like 300+ once we overdrive it on DTP MCPCBs Big Smile
Can’t wait, this will be a serious upgrade over the lack flat, unlike the CSLNM1.TG which is only a slight improvement.

However, it will be many months or several years before we can actually get some of these LEDs.
The CSLNM1 isn’t even available yet in multiples less than 1000 Sad

Regardless, laser phosphor is still a better option for ultimate throw.
This LED will be good for normal LED flashlights.


Multiples of 1000 you say? If it’s worth it, BLF can pull off that quantity easily in a group buy. It is rare to see that many bare emitters bought in a GB, but if this new one is as good as it might be, I don’t think 1000 or even 2000 pcs is a problem to reach.

They do this because the LEDs are not available yet. We just need to wait.


OK. I must have misunderstood. I thought Enderman was saying that the CSLNM1 are available, but only in qty 1000 or greater.

Yeah the CSLNM1 is available in 1000+ but there’s no point in doing a group buy for that one when this HX is almost certainly better in every way.
More lumens AND more intensity Smile

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Enderman wrote:

Can’t wait, this will be a serious upgrade over the lack flat, unlike the CSLNM1.TG…

LoL! 


Lol fixed

Cereal_killer wrote:
Is this a 3v led? Being designed for the automotive industry that wouldn’t be my first guess.

It is, same as all their other automotive LEDs like the black flat and the others they make.
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This LED will be THE LED for throwers. It’s alsmost perfect (integrated copper pcb would be perfect). No more 12V XHP-35 HI LEDs!

Here is the datasheet.

The brightness curve is very steep. It might even go up to 15-20A.

But unfortunately we will probably need new pcbs for it.

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Enderman wrote:
Yeah the CSLNM1 is available in 1000+ but there’s no point in doing a group buy for that one when this HX is almost certainly better in every way.
More lumens AND more intensity Smile
Yeah, I was remarking that if they do the same with this HX, it would be worth doing a GB in order to get them, instead of waiting until smaller qty orders are available.

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DavidEF wrote:
Enderman wrote:
Yeah the CSLNM1 is available in 1000+ but there’s no point in doing a group buy for that one when this HX is almost certainly better in every way.
More lumens AND more intensity Smile
Yeah, I was remarking that if they do the same with this HX, it would be worth doing a GB in order to get them, instead of waiting until smaller qty orders are available.

I would certainly be down for that Smile
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  • Brightness @ 6A: 1320 - 2010lm
  • Luminance @ 6A: 220 - 335cd/mm^2
  • Vf @ 6A: typ. 3.35V
  • official maximum current: 6.6A 

The waiting for this is gonna kill me cry.

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This looks very nice. Was planning a flat black in my D1s, but now I will wait for this.

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