Osram Oslon Boost HX

[DavidEF]

@twisted raven

@DavidEF

@twisted raven

I will gladly throw money at them in a group buy.

Or better yet, get a manufacturer (Sofirn? Lumintop?) to make the next multi-emitter light with this, and then have a group buy for that light. It would generate more sales for Osram that way, and probably get the LEDs into our grubby little hands a bit sooner if a manufacturer gets on board.

EDIT: Imagine a light similar to the Q8, made a bit larger for 4x 21700 cells, with also a bit larger, and deeper reflector, and four of these LEDs.

Nah, I would want Vinh to put one in an Acebeam T21 or TN40, unless Sofirn or Lumintop can make similar performing hosts (plausible).

Having the freedom to have the bare emitters to mod yourself is nice.

Well, yeah, that too. How about one of these in the BLF GT?

[twisted_raven]

GT host is too big for my liking, but the GT with this would be insane!

[Enderman]

@The_Driver

Supposedly it’s already in full production.

It will be several months before we see them even appear on distributor sites, then more months before they get them in stock, and who knows how long until they start selling them in multiples less than 1000.
https://octopart.com/search?q=KW%20CULPM1.TG&start=0

May be waiting a year or more until that happens…

[The_Driver1 (The_Driver)]

@djozz

@The_Driver

But unfortunately we will probably need new pcbs for it.

Isn’t this the 4040 footprint that Lumileds use for a couple of leds and that led4power has ready boards for?

Nope, not as far as I can tell. I compared the solder pad diagrams in the datasheets. I am sure someone else will check and confirm this.

[luminarium_iaculator]

@DavidEF

@zak.wilson

I’m eager for a datasheet. The press release mentions a separate thermal pad, which means it has a decent chance of being usable on existing 3535 or 5050 MCPCBs.

I hope it comes in 4000K or warmer.

Well, led4power already has 4040 MCPCB’s that might fit better.

EDIT: Oh, imagine using his 4040/5050 MCPCB for the Q8 with four of these. :sunglasses:

I think that you should know following data guys…

I have recently tried new L4P 16mm DTP’s and I can say that they in combination with 1x18650 cell FET driver pulls greater amperage from battery than noctigon V2! My old dedomed XP-G2 S42B, with Samsung INR30Q, everything bypassed, goes from 4.7-4.88 on each modd while on noctigon V2 I had 4.3-4.45.

Tested with unit clamp meter in combination with lux meter (3 noctigon V2 lights vs 3 L4P DTP lights). No mistake with my redneck tests…

L4P 16mm dtp board is significantly better than 16mm noctigon v2 dtp for 1x18650 FET DD driver setup.

For constant current and regulated configurations(buck boost etc) it will probably not be any difference but in single cell, single 18650 FET DD setup difference is noticeable in lux performance and on clamp meter, and especially on lux meter :+1:

New improvements on led and dtp field. LED should prevail over LASER technology

[ZozzV6]

@luminarium iaculator

I think that you should know following data guys…

I have recently tried new L4P 16mm DTP’s and I can say that they in combination with 1x18650 cell FET driver pulls greater amperage from battery than noctigon V2! My old dedomed XP-G2 S42B, with Samsung INR30Q, everything bypassed, goes from 4.7-4.88 on each modd while on noctigon V2 I had 4.3-4.45.

Tested with unit clamp meter in combination with lux meter (3 noctigon V2 lights and 3 L4P DTP). No mistake with my redneck tests…

L4P 16mm dtp board is significantly better than 16mm noctigon v2 dtp for 1x18650 FET DD driver setup.

For constant current and regulated configurations(buck boost etc) it will probably not be any difference but in single cell, single 18650 FET setup difference is noticeable in lux performance and on clamp meter, and especially on lux meter :+1:

New improvements on led and dtp field. LED should prevail over LASER technology

I can confirm that too. L4P DTP boards are so much harder to solder led wires than any other DTP MCPCB. I just replaced the stock led in a GT mini to L4P DTP board with Luxeon V and I needed a lot of heat to do it. Also in my Convoy L2. Same board and hard to solder. On Noctigon and any Other DTP board it is easy job. It really sucks the heat away.

[Jerommel]

It will work on a 4040 L4P board when the thermal pad is not too wide.
Maybe it’s safer to use a 3535 board.

[ZozzV6]

So it is not hard to fit on an XP board

[WhitedragonBC]

Hopefully it has better tint options than the flat black.

[Jerommel]

@DavidEF

@twisted raven

@DavidEF

@twisted raven

I will gladly throw money at them in a group buy.

Or better yet, get a manufacturer (Sofirn? Lumintop?) to make the next multi-emitter light with this, and then have a group buy for that light. It would generate more sales for Osram that way, and probably get the LEDs into our grubby little hands a bit sooner if a manufacturer gets on board.

EDIT: Imagine a light similar to the Q8, made a bit larger for 4x 21700 cells, with also a bit larger, and deeper reflector, and four of these LEDs.

Nah, I would want Vinh to put one in an Acebeam T21 or TN40, unless Sofirn or Lumintop can make similar performing hosts (plausible).

Having the freedom to have the bare emitters to mod yourself is nice.

Well, yeah, that too. How about one of these in the BLF GT?

I suspect the tolerances / (lack of) accuracy of the reflector will make it very difficult to get a tight and even beam.
Maybe i’m wrong.

[Jerommel]

@zak.wilson

@AlexGT

Color: Cx=0,32, Cy=033, acc. to CIE 1931 (white)

That, unfortunately, is 6100K. Definitely not what I’m looking for in a thrower, and I hope not the only option when these become available.

Yeah, the color temp is a bit of a bummer i.m.h.o.
But it could be marketing to introduce this LED with the most impressive output.
I assume warmer tints will come later.

[twisted_raven]

The Black Flat’s tint never bothered me. It is a cool white yes, but it’s the purest cool white I’ve seen of any LED— no green whatsoever (when driven hard, anyways).

Hopefully this will be the same. Hard driven Black Flat is probably in the range of 7000k, so this will be a little warmer.

[Enderman]

Adding an RLT collar also makes it much warmer.

[Agro]

Now I seriously think that we should try to talk retailers (KD?) into buying these LEDs. A reel (2000 emitters) is a lot, but unless it’s hugely expensive it should sell well.

[Enderman]

@Agro

Now I seriously think that we should try to talk retailers (KD?) into buying these LEDs. A reel (2000 emitters) is a lot, but unless it’s hugely expensive it should sell well.

Well the black flat is more than twice as much as a normal cree LED.
The CSLNM1.TG is almost $10 per emitter.
$16000 per reel isn’t particularly cheap.

[Agro]

Yeah, a lot. I still think it would sell, but that’s a significant amount sunk for a while.
BTW some further notes from the datasheet:
Osram offers tints as warm as 4700K. But the warmer ones get above BBL. To get pure white one needs to go to 5600K. Cooler is below BBL.
Charts end at 8A. Actually you’re allowed to pulse it at that current as long as temperature doesn’t exceed 104 C. And as long as pulse length doesn’t exceed 0.001s.
If we take the manufacturer’s 1400 lm and scale that to 8A we get 270 cd/mm². At still good 62 lm/W.
But the LEDs are cold-binned. Increase the temp to 85C and you’re back to 240 cd/mm² at 56 lm/W. Still not really bad.

[Zelda]

There is a good chance, that RS Online will sell them in a pack of 1 to 5.
(Basically the sell a wide range from Osram Opto, compared to other large seller.)

[led4power]

@Jerommel

!{width:70%}http://i64.tinypic.com/280rxmv.jpg!:http://i64.tinypic.com/280rxmv.jpg It will work on a 4040 L4P board when the thermal pad is not too wide. It’s safer to use a 3535 board.

Actually, DTP 4040 looks almost like a perfect fit:

You can see in picture DTP version of 4040 on the left, and mosX version on the right.

mosX version is "the real" one, DTP version has narrower central pad because DTP technology has its clearance limitations between DTP pads and top layer regular copper pads.

DTP 4040 has 1.9x4mm central pad dimensions, A,K pads are 3.7mm tall, and overall footprint width is 3.7mm, this is almost perfect for SX, much better than XP.

I will try to contact my few distributors regarding this led, and maybe start a group buy, since I already have DTP boards

[Jerommel]

Well, that’s good news.

[The_Driver1 (The_Driver)]

@led4power

Actually, DTP 4040 looks almost like a perfect fit:

You can see in picture DTP version of 4040 on the left, and mosX version on the right.

mosX version is “the real” one, DTP version has narrower central pad because DTP technology has its clearance limitations between DTP pads and top layer regular copper pads.

DTP 4040 has 1.9x4mm central pad dimensions, A,K pads are 3.7mm tall, and overall footprint width is 3.7mm, this is almost perfect for SX, much better than XP.

I will try to contact my few distributors regarding this led, and maybe start a group buy, since I already have DTP boards

Are your DTP boards made of one solid piece of copper like Sinkpads and Noctigons?