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Lol, didn’t even cross my mind when I wrote that LOLFacepalm

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Man im getting so antsy for these guys. I love my PFlexPro triple, but I want a shorter eswitch model and this is perfect, especially with the firmware direction its heading.

Ive been eyeballing some Zebralights as of late, but im holding out for this guy considering I can get 3 for the price of 1 Zebra, and im sure the beam pattern will be more desirable.

If possible id like to up my interest to 2 lights if there will be multiple emitter options. Hopefully the LH351 wins over the Nichias

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Perhaps I am wrong though, nevertheless if it ever happens it will be well out of date (and frankly a mechanical monstrosity which I doubt will ever be reliable)


I think balanced discussion is good, I would definitely like to hear more about your concerns. What do you think about the design is out of date or potentially unreliable?
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* crickets *

(waiting on third prototype test results from Fritz and Cawi)


- TK

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*.* crickets *.*

(waiting on third prototype test results from Fritz and Cawi)


- TK

Thumbs Up … Amen to that….. Facepalm

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Memo to Neal: Send prototype to TK next time. Wink

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Memo to Neal: Send prototype to TK next time. Wink

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Tom Tom wrote:

Perhaps I am wrong though, nevertheless if it ever happens it will be well out of date (and frankly a mechanical monstrosity which I doubt will ever be reliable)


I think balanced discussion is good, I would definitely like to hear more about your concerns. What do you think about the design is out of date or potentially unreliable?

I don’t want to come across as being overly negative, but my concerns are primarily about the mechanical design, which was the whole point of this “special elegant .. flashlight” in the first place.

Putting the e-switch in the tailcap, with the co-axial inner tube for signalling, will require great precision and consistency in manufacture. Long-term reliability of this arrangement will depend on this. Even the design of the tail switch concerns me, if it is to be a bespoke assembly, rather than using a known-good component. Making reliable switches is not easy, though they appear superficially simple.

I have no idea how the design has progressed since the first rendering was shown in the first post. But the original concept may have become diluted:

“For a lot of us mere mortals, seeing the cool things machinists make on their lathe is just a dream.
Hence the finish of the FW3A will be clear anodizing, no sanding/beadblasting before anodization.
The idea is to give all the chance to have a light looking like it came of a lathe with the protection of anodizing.
(surface finish details are still being worked out though)”

I have confidence that DEL’s driver will be good, and admire the x1, xn 7135, plus FET, architecture. I’d like to see more of this sort of thing.

As I have confidence that TK’s firmware will deliver, preferably fine-tuned to the characteristics of the production LEDs.

Both have been ready for a long time.

It is however disappointing how long this has dragged on, the gestation period of an elephant, or two humans. So far.

In business this just won’t do, workers have to work and be paid, and bring up their families, factories have to keep their machinery running profitably, production slots booked, workers trained, test procedures and equipment in place, marketeers have to market, distributors have to commit to buying stock and be prepared to service warranties, supply chains have to be ready, long-lead and critical components procured, commodity items checked, in case the buyers need special instructions to make sure they get the right ones, Bills Of Materials signed off, firmware committed so the MCUs can be factory-flashed before delivery (mucking about with clips or even pogo pins at the last minute is not an efficient option, except maybe for first-batch)

Designers have to be competent, productive, and motivated to sign off each project, on-time (that means having a plan), with confidence (or be prepared to can them, if it isn’t going to work), then look forward to moving on to the next one.

Otherwise it looks more like a hobby, perhaps where the process, and finessing, is more interesting than the end result.

Meanwhile time moves on, and other interesting things appear, for example the latest Fireflies torch is piquing my interest.

I have been informed that Lumintop are ready to go, just waiting on TLF people and intermediaries to validate the design. Which is a serious decision, not to be rushed.

Fingers crossed that all is well.

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Glad you’ve got it all worked out!

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Lumintop has been super busy this last year. They’ve released the GT, the GT70, GT Mini, ODF30, ODF30C, OC20L, Tool AA v2, plus some more I’m not aware of. So they have been busy.

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To make it perfectly clear, I understand that Lumintop have been doing their very best, with the designs provided to them.

And are as keen as the rest of us to see this happen.

I respect them highly.

But it seems some key people involved (not BLF) are just rather dilatory. Maybe even out-of-their-depth.

Which is, frankly, inexcusable, if trust is to be earned, and you start off on a project of this scale.

The CPF Italia Cometa comes to mind as how not to do it (but that also involved treachery too).

Walking away from difficulties does not work, if that is what is happening. I sincerely hope not.

BLF used to be able to do this sort of stuff brilliantly, but the brightest and best managers, and engineers, have mostly given up, whilst commercialism has flourished but design originality less so.

Wither BLF ?

I’ll give it one month more, then I’ll be out, if the silence continues to be deafening.

We don’t get crickets, or cicadas in the UK, but the dawn chorus is beautiful if you live in the countryside, as I do. Even at this time of year, but in the spring, blissful.

Fortunately I have a permanent invite to a cottage in SW France (Lot-et-Garonne) where cicadas, lizards, bats, raptors, bees, etc. still seem to live in harmony, and the night sky is dark. No streetlamps.

It is now the hunting season, so I expect to have to gather up some bewildered young dogs most days and return them to the headquarters.

Wear a lot of blaze-orange too, if going for a walk. These guys (and gals) are not very observant.

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Yep, makes perfect sense. It’s the only possible explanation.

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This is in fact a hobby for most or all of the BLF/TLF people involved. They’re working for free and giving a design and a bunch of interested customers to Lumintop, who will then profit from it. They’re presumably OK with that because they want to live in a world that has the FW3A in it, for which the rest of us should be grateful.

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This is in fact a hobby for most or all of the BLF/TLF people involved. They’re working for free and giving a design and a bunch of interested customers to Lumintop, who will then profit from it. They’re presumably OK with that because they want to live in a world that has the FW3A in it, for which the rest of us should be grateful.

YES! +1 This. Thumbs Up

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Not sure about that. Fritz has always known the value of his personal creations, and priced them accordingly.

As do other skilled people, it is not a one-way street, there is give and take, which is down to negotiation.

Nothing comes from nothing, and neither should it.

However if you have a more pressing, and rewarding, day-job, which you want to hold down, priorities naturally change.

I’ve even benefited from this, for some mediocre contributions behind the scenes, which might have saved going down a wrong direction. Enough to buy a few nice torches afterwards. and it was freely given by an honourable company, and passed on to me by the Project Manager.

The world is not black and white, just shades of grey.

But, excellence can prevail, eventually, if backers have faith and customers recognise it, and are prepared to pay perhaps a little bit more for it. And it really is excellent. Otherwise mediocrity will prevail.

Accept that skilled people can command some reward for their efforts, and should. Frankly if this stuff was given away for free it would be an insult to professionals. This is now a business, not a hobby, particularly for the manufacturers who have to take the chances and do the serious work.

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nick779 wrote:
Post #2807, 4 April 2018 Im in for one of these. Seems like a neat light to add to my collection. Anduril in a nice, clean triple EDC sounds awesome.

The clear ano will be really nice too.

You are at number #1100 .
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Post 4744, 5 October 2018 … If possible id like to *+up my interest to 2 lights if there will be multiple emitter options.+ …

Two more?
Two in total if there multiple emitter options.

You are at numbers #1100 and #1575 .

How many flashlights do you want in total? … x … units?

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nick779 wrote:
Post #2807, 4 April 2018 Im in for one of these. Seems like a neat light to add to my collection. Anduril in a nice, clean triple EDC sounds awesome.

The clear ano will be really nice too.

You are at number #1100 .
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Post 4744, 5 October 2018 … If possible id like to *+up my interest to 2 lights if there will be multiple emitter options.+ …

Two more?
You are at numbers #1100 , #1575 and 1576.

How many flashlights do you want in total? … x … units?


He means 2 lights total.

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nick779 wrote:
… If possible id like to *+up my interest to 2 lights if there will be multiple emitter options.+ …
pepinfaxera wrote:
How many flashlights do you want in total? … x … units?
JasonWW wrote:
He means 2 lights total.

Thanks JasonWW
I edit list

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Please add me to the interest list for 1 light, specifically the one with the LH351D leds.

Thanks

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zak.wilson wrote:
This is in fact a hobby for most or all of the BLF/TLF people involved. They’re working for free and giving a design and a bunch of interested customers to Lumintop, who will then profit from it. They’re presumably OK with that because they want to live in a world that has the FW3A in it, for which the rest of us should be grateful.
Another +1 for Zak-Wilson Smile I couldn’t Agree More! If anyone thinks that Lumintop (or any other Company for that matter), that has the Engineering Ability, Machining Facility and knowledgeable Machinists that are Capable of Turning Raw Bar Stock into any Shape Size or Diameter, and Length and then internally and externally thread each piece needed to Make a Perfect Fw3A EDC Flashlight . After their Mess-up with The CPF Italia Cometa, I would Imagine they are Triple checking Every Possible Problem that could Go Wrong, in an Effort to Make sure Everything Goes Smooth and Easy! And doesn’t start eating away at their profit margin and make them look Bad in the Manufacturing Community, (Saving face, after the Cometa problem). I feel would be Most Important. Getting this Order Right is most likely their main Goal! That’s just My Opinion, and I May be Wrong. I’m still waiting on my Newly Designed FW3A’s. They’re Going to be Great ! Can’t wait to get my Hands on One ! It’s not everyday that a Man Designs the Perfect Flashlight, and has a Pack of opinionated Groupies Chomping at the Bit to Buy at Least 1-3 each Of the Flashlights they are Going to Make! That’s Money in the Bank just waiting to be Cashed in. Everybody wants a Customer like that! (I Ordered 2 of the Cometa Flashlights), One Worked Great and is One of the Best lights I have and I Love it! (The 2nd Cometa Didn’t work when I received it, and it is still not working). When Life slows Down and I have the time, I will find out what I need to repair and then I will have 2 Great Bright Long Distance Throwing Lights. That’s just My Opinion, But I’m Still Waiting On My Lights!

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zak.wilson wrote:
This is in fact a hobby for most or all of the BLF/TLF people involved. They’re working for free and giving a design and a bunch of interested customers to Lumintop, who will then profit from it. They’re presumably OK with that because they want to live in a world that has the FW3A in it, for which the rest of us should be grateful.
Another +1 for Zak-Wilson Smile I couldn’t Agree More! If anyone thinks that Lumintop (or any other Company for that matter), that has the Engineering Ability, Machining Facility and knowledgeable Machinists that are Capable of Turning Raw Bar Stock into any Shape Size or Diameter, and Length and then internally and externally thread each piece needed to Make a Perfect Fw3A EDC Flashlight . After their Mess-up with The CPF Italia Cometa, I would Imagine they are Triple checking Every Possible Problem that could Go Wrong, in an Effort to Make sure Everything Goes Smooth and Easy! And doesn’t start eating away at their profit margin and make them look Bad in the Manufacturing Community, (Saving face, after the Cometa problem). I feel would be Most Important. Getting this Order Right is most likely their main Goal! That’s just My Opinion, and I May be Wrong. I’m still waiting on my Newly Designed FW3A’s. They’re Going to be Great ! Can’t wait to get my Hands on One ! It’s not everyday that a Man Designs the Perfect Flashlight, and has a Pack of opinionated Groupies Chomping at the Bit to Buy at Least 1-3 each Of the Flashlights they are Going to Make! That’s Money in the Bank just waiting to be Cashed in. Everybody wants a Customer like that! (I Ordered 2 of the Cometa Flashlights), One Worked Great and is One of the Best lights I have and I Love it! (The 2nd Cometa Didn’t work when I received it, and it is still not working). When Life slows Down and I have the time, I will find out what I need to repair and then I will have 2 Great Bright Long Distance Throwing Lights. That’s just My Opinion, But I’m Still Waiting On My Lights!
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@ Tooreal: – One of us is confused…… Shocked
Lumintop had nothing to do with the “Cometa”.

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Cometa is almost a four letter word around here, huh?

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Cometa is almost a four letter word around here, huh?
Big Smile . Big Smile . Big Smile . . Good point cabfrank….. Wink .. Thumbs Up

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@ Tooreal: – One of us is confused…… Shocked Lumintop had nothing to do with the “Cometa”.

Quite right.

This has nothing to do with Lumintop, who I understand have done good work with the BLF GT, and I expect will do a good job on this one.

The Cometa fiasco was the fault of Manker, and the CPF Italia project leader, in cahoots with a Banggood product manager, who mislead everyone into thinking that they would be getting a custom Jaxman Z1.

Whereas it turned out to be a badly made fake, the CPF-I man disappeared, and eventually BangGood tried to make things right, with refunds. But not before months of annoyance, anxiety, and evidence of shoddy, even dangerous, design and construction had been exposed on the forums, requiring owners to make DIY modifications and add retrofit parts to have any chance of having a safe functional torch.

There was a big falling-out between Banggood and Manker after that, and ISTR the Banggood product manager was dismissed.

The Miller and I then contacted Jaxman, and they cautiously agreed to supply a limited quantity of Z1 hosts to experienced modders to make their own versions of what the Cometa should have been, which were favourably received here.

And Jaxman continues to support experienced knowledgeable BLF modders with great hosts, by individual request.

Which was the start of The Miller’s management of group buys, building the development teams, and the full scale engineering development of the Q8, GT etc. And kicking this project off as well.

If I have miss remembered any of this history, please feel free to set the record straight.

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/\ – That is a very concise & accurate description/rundown of the ‘Cometa Fiasco’. Thumbs Up

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The dark days of BLF group buys have become much brighter, with the Q8 as an example. I hope it continues soon, in the (b)right direction with the FW3A.

Sorry, cheesy post I know. It’s late.

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This really isn’t the thread to discuss this stuff, but, whilst the tumble-weed continues to blow around, why not ?

There are many levels of commercialism here, obviously starting with those who have made a business from “discount codes”. Which I use, if I have any desire for the product. Just because it is x% off, flash sale, affiliate linked, 9/11 sale (some did that). or whatever, doesn’t usually inspire me to click on PayPal. I think very hard before doing that, and whether I really want to do that.

Then there are purveyors of (self declared) BLF specials meaning thinly disguised commercial products with little added value, except perhaps a different choice of LEDs.

Then newcomers to the business, for whom, typically, a driver from a “name” together with firmware from our loveliest and best, adds cachet.

I do hope that your efforts are properly rewarded, you really deserve it. Sincerely.

But, I have to say, generally they just get things wrong.

Properly developed BLF torches, where every aspect of the design has been considered, analysed, prototyped, perhaps not quite perfected, by various discipline experts and OKed by a tight team behind the scenes, but at least considered, and made produce-able bearing in mind the typical BLF budgets, are always great.

I don’t think I see much of this happening nowadays.

Please convince me otherwise, and cheer me up.

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Tom Tom wrote:

But, I have to say, generally they just get things wrong.

If they got it right all the time we would have nothing to mod Wink
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Thanks for clarifying my 2 light total Jason.

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