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Thanks to you.

And, excuse me, excuse me:

I’m not very communicative

Language problem. I don’t know English language.

Greetings .

Sorry for my bad English
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This could be interesting, just to see how it pans out.

The Q8 had a similarly massive interest list, and, remarkably, a very high uptake from those on it.

Sufficient that it continues in production today.

Of course the first batch had a few niggling problems, but these were, I think, sorted out as well as could be hoped, thanks to swift feedback from BLF, The Miller’s determination, and Thorfire’s responsiveness in swiftly doing a little re-design and re-making a part (and replacing the production manager).

Due to serendipity I missed the first-batch problems.

The Miller had to take a chance on signing off the Q8 when he did, the team could have fannied on forever over the minutiae, it was very interesting technically, but there was a market window, beyond which interest would have slowly died, credibility been lost, reputational damage to BLF, loss of an interested supplier (Thorfire/Sofirn).

My suggestion: Build no more than say 50 in the first batch and sell them at a really good unrepeatable unmissable price. First come, first served. No warranty, but as much support as can be run from China with someone coordinating. We won’t get Wim, but is anyone else prepared to step-up ?

Make it clear that these are actually pre-production prototypes, and would best be bought by experienced people who are prepared for a few bumps and squeaks in exchange for a great price, and the opportunity to improve the thing, if necessary.

Then wait for feedback here. Give it at least two months. Then reflect, make any changes that seem sensible, and build the main run.

This is how we do things in Aerospace, typically A model, B model, C model (all internal development), P model (clients first sight of the thing, and chance to evaluate and complete qualification, not to be used in a serious situation, unless needs must), then full-scale ramp-up. But this should not be necessary for a simple torch.

Simply making only two pre-production prototypes, then sending them to only two people, most heavily involved (and least likely to be able to critique their own work neutrally), and who seem to have gone off-grid, does not seem to me the brightest of ideas.

I also suspect that there ought to be some final tuning of firmware, by the Goddess, to suit whatever emitter choices have actually been made (still unknown). When (and how, without a couple of P-models) is that going to happen ?

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pepinfaxera wrote:
Thanks to you.

And, excuse me, excuse me:

I’m not very communicative

Language problem. I don’t know English language.

Greetings .

Your welcome pepinfaxera, our pleasure!! Thumbs Up

Do not worry about what you call a “language problem”…. you are doing an amazing job. Especially since you do not know English!! . Smile

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Tom Tom wrote:
This could be interesting, just to see how it pans out.

The Q8 had a similarly massive interest list, and, remarkably, a very high uptake from those on it.

Sufficient that it continues in production today.

Of course the first batch had a few niggling problems, but these were, I think, sorted out as well as could be hoped, thanks to swift feedback from BLF, The Miller’s determination, and Thorfire’s responsiveness in swiftly doing a little re-design and re-making a part (and replacing the production manager).

Due to serendipity I missed the first-batch problems.

The Miller had to take a chance on signing off the Q8 when he did, the team could have fannied on forever over the minutiae, it was very interesting technically, but there was a market window, beyond which interest would have slowly died, credibility been lost, reputational damage to BLF, loss of an interested supplier (Thorfire/Sofirn).

My suggestion: Build no more than say 50 in the first batch and sell them at a really good unrepeatable unmissable price. First come, first served. No warranty, but as much support as can be run from China with someone coordinating. We won’t get Wim, but is anyone else prepared to step-up ?

Make it clear that these are actually pre-production prototypes, and would best be bought by experienced people who are prepared for a few bumps and squeaks in exchange for a great price, and the opportunity to improve the thing, if necessary.

Then wait for feedback here. Give it at least two months. Then reflect, make any changes that seem sensible, and build the main run.

This is how we do things in Aerospace, typically A model, B model, C model (all internal development), P model (clients first sight of the thing, and chance to evaluate and complete qualification, not to be used in a serious situation, unless needs must), then full-scale ramp-up. But this should not be necessary for a simple torch.

Simply making only two pre-production prototypes, then sending them to only two people, most heavily involved (and least likely to be able to critique their own work neutrally), and who seem to have gone off-grid, does not seem to me the brightest of ideas.

I also suspect that there ought to be some final tuning of firmware, by the Goddess, to suit whatever emitter choices have actually been made (still unknown). When (and how, without a couple of P-models) is that going to happen ?

Where do I sign up for those first 50 testers?! Big Smile

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Tom Tom, despite I understand your point of view and despite I agree that in an ideal world we would like to have fully tested an flawless flashlights for the more than 1600 interested members (only in BLF!!!), making a small batch for test, waiting another 2 months and then start “final” production, would delay this even more.

I guess some things were learnt in the Q8 and other BLF projects, but samples/prototypes are being delivered to some members and are being “tested” (even if we don’t actually know the results…).

This is not rocket science, this is a $30-$35 flashlight, that may come out with or without flaws! It shall be respected as something that will be paid and as something that must work at full power & specs , of course, but if when the time has come and everything is ready for production we need to wait some more months for reports to be done…it will take even more time to get the flashlight. Ughh

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MascaratumB wrote:
Tom Tom, despite I understand your point of view and despite I agree that in an ideal world we would like to have fully tested an flawless flashlights for the more than 1600 interested members (only in BLF!!!), making a small batch for test, waiting another 2 months and then start "final" production, would delay this even more. I guess some things were learnt in the Q8 and other BLF projects, but samples/prototypes are being delivered to some members and are being "tested" (even if we don't actually know the results...). This is not rocket science, this is a $30-$35 flashlight, that may come out with or without flaws! It shall be respected as something that will be paid and as something that must work at full power & specs , of course, but if when the time has come and everything is ready for production we need to wait some more months for reports to be done...it will take even more time to get the flashlight. Ughh My opinion only...

Sorry, I can't wait any longer.

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Just checking in. Hope all isgoing well.

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Put me down for one please

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Hesh24 wrote:
Just checking in. Hope all isgoing well.

You’re in the numbers 1357 and 1358 on: Interest List , “Post # 4”:“http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1120496#comment-1120496 , “ Page 1 ,”:http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1120496#comment-1120496 .
Hesh24 wrote:
Post; #3926, … Thu, 06 / 21 / 2018
I would like 1 possibly 2 depending on final price. Thanks

How many flashlights do you want in total? … x … units? .

Sorry for my bad English
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Two for me is correct. Much obliged.

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gottawearshades wrote:
Definitely in for at least two!
You are number No. # 1425 on: Interest List , “Post # 4”:“http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1120496#comment-1120496 , “ Page 1 ,”:http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1120496#comment-1120496, . You are number No. # 1515 on: pepinfaxera: Interest List: See #Post , Page 111 . How many flashlights do you want in total? … x … units? .
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I’d take two units Smile

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I’d take two units

Welcome to the Forum,

In the next update, I’ll put you on my list.

Sorry for my bad English
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Just one please. Sorry for the duplicated post.

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Boaz wrote:

 Come on guys....    

  Can we all please get back to the business of beating on Raccoon City?

Yeah, I still have dozens of razor sharp knives in my signature.

You can't possibly have that on a family-friendly forum like BLF...

Think about the children!  :P

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I’m keen, add me to the list pls.

Better to hv it and not need it than to need it and not hv it.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
Alen wrote:
how long it takes to get hot?

At full power? A few seconds. Have you used an Emisar D4? It’s a lot like that.

At a more practical power level? It should run indefinitely at several hundred lumens, depending on how you configure its thermal parameters.

Here’s an output graph from a few months ago, showing thermal ramp-down and then a relatively stable level:

That first minute is likely to ramp down faster than shown in the graph though. It was actually too hot during that first plateau, so I made it adjust down faster.

When started at the default ceiling level of 1100 lumens, the result looked more like this:

This test was 9 months ago though, and things have been updated since then. Mostly, it just shows a rough idea of what to expect when using a high mode which isn’t turbo. I think this test also had a lower temperature limit configured. The stable level depends on the user’s personal configuration and environmental conditions.

Why does the first graph show a stable output around 600 lumen and the second around 300 lumen. I see you talking about a lower configured temp but does this make that much difference? I know the emmiters are not yet decided on so it is theoretical (hoping for xpl hi). I am just curious what would be realistic stable max. output for this light. I know there are to much variables to give a good answer. But I think 300 lumen is not very impressive for a 18650 light (but I still would buy it).

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Stippier wrote:
Why does the first graph show a stable output around 600 lumen and the second around 300 lumen.

I don’t recall the exact test conditions, but I think I set the limit pretty low on one and didn’t point a fan at it, while the other used defaults and had a little bit of air moving past.

The sustainable level really does change quite a bit depending on your configuration and environmental conditions.

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Hello,

add me to the interest list. I like one item, please.

Thanks!

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I am down for one.
Thanks.

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In for 2 if $30
1 if $35

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Add me for 1 please.

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1x if LH351D or XP-L HI option. I already have a triple 219C so not really interested in another while a triple G3/G2 does not entice me.

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Please put me on the interest list for one light.

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jaynick wrote:
: See # Post fri, 11/09/2018 , – 03:52 Coordinated Universal Time In for 2 if $30 1 if $35
You’re in the numbers 1023, 1237, 1238 and 1239 on: Interest List , “Post # 4”:“http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1120496#comment-1120496 , “ Page 1 ,”:http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1120496#comment-1120496 . . Four flashlights FW3A to BLF TLF. Now you say just one or two depending on the price? Duda, Please: Resolve, Clarify this doubt, (this contradiction) .
jaynick wrote:
: See Post #2481, Fri, february /09/2018 . put me down for one please
jaynick wrote:
: See Post Sun, june /03/2018 . Put me down for 3 please.

How many flashlights do you want in total? … x … units? .
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06:45 AM
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Bob_McBob wrote:
I’m 1038, could you put me down for another two please?
See # Post: 2856, page 96
Apologies, I’m sorry.
Bob_McBob is #1038 and #1142,
Bob_McBob has requested three Flashlights “3”
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Moparguy is #1278, #1279, #1280 and #1281,
Moparguy only asked for two flashlights, (request two flashlights) “2”. see: Post # 3547
Moparguy wrote:

Please sign me up for 2 ea. FW3A flashlights.


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Dadpool is #385 and #1331, Dadpool only asked for a flashlight, (ask for a flashlight) “1”. see:
Dadpool wrote:
Post #710 Please add me to the list for 1 light. Thanks!
Dadpool wrote:
Post #3893 Thought I’d signed up already, but just in case I’m signing up now!

Also voted in both polls. This looks like it’s going to be a great light.


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sorry, spent this money while waiting
please remove #600

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manithree wrote:
I think I’m out on this one, please remove me from the interest list.

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Jambo is #310, #723, #724;
Request to delete one, (Remove one), #724
Request two flashlights, (only wants two flashlights), #310 and 723.
Jambo wrote:
# Post I must apologise profusely, I asked for two of these in post number 1574, I completely forgot I’d already asked for one a few months earlier in post number 889.

Could I be a pain and just have two instead of three please? Again, I apologise. Got a bit overexcited possibly!


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Tom Tom wrote:
So pipinferaxa, I officially declare that I am out of this one, as I previously said that I would if a further month went by with no news.
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Please remove me from the interest list (2 torches).

Thank you.


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Hesh24 wrote:
Just one please. Sorry for the duplicated post.

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Macka17
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This has been going on for soooo long.
Any chance of getting a “current update” on where it actually stands now.
today.
What would I get if I ordered one tonight, with what choices?.
I can’t find the pages with details of body. drivers. Batt, etc.
Just pages and pages of people being people, IE Round in circles while getting nowhere.
It could be an interesting light if it replaces/updates something I have at present.
at around $30/35ish.

JasonWW
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Location: Houston Texas

Macka17 wrote:
This has been going on for soooo long.
Any chance of getting a “current update” on where it actually stands now.
today.
What would I get if I ordered one tonight, with what choices?.
I can’t find the pages with details of body. drivers. Batt, etc.
Just pages and pages of people being people, IE Round in circles while getting nowhere.
It could be an interesting light if it replaces/updates something I have at present.
at around $30/35ish.

All the info is in post #1 or #2.

There are no updates other than we are waiting to hear about the latest round of prototypes.

Actual orders are not being taken yet. If you want to reserve a light, just say so. If your not interested, that’s okay too. You are not obligated to buy.

Please don’t come here demanding info. You will be seen as a jerk and treated as such. Be respectful and ask nicely. Thank you.

pepinfaxera
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Joined: 06/25/2015 - 12:53
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Location: Gijón - Spain - Europe

Macka17 wrote:
I can’t find the pages with details of body. drivers. Batt, etc.

In Post #1, Page 1, , in Post #2, and in Post #3 you have some information.
Still pending from Fritz15

Sorry for my bad English
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