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A question for everyone…

There has been some difficulty obtaining LH351D 4000K 90CRI emitters, because only one supplier has them in stock. Otherwise, there is a 5 or 6 week wait time to get the LEDs.

Digikey has some in stock, but Bob_McBob tested them and found them a little on the green side. It’s picture #2 in that album, on the left.

So which do you think would be better:

  1. Make the lights now, using parts from Digikey. Based on Bob’s small sample, the tint might be above the BBL.
  2. Wait ~6 weeks until a more specific tint bin can be obtained from the manufacturer.
  3. Make the XP-L HI model now, and do the LH351D lights later.

Here’s the beam shot again, cropped to remove the other light in the original picture:

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ToyKeeper wrote:
A question for everyone…

There has been some difficulty obtaining LH351D 4000K 90CRI emitters, because only one supplier has them in stock. Otherwise, there is a 5 or 6 week wait time to get the LEDs.

Digikey has some in stock, but Bob_McBob tested them and found them a little on the green side. It’s picture #2 in that album, on the left.

So which do you think would be better:

  1. Make the lights now, using parts from Digikey. Based on Bob’s small sample, the tint might be above the BBL.
  2. Wait ~6 weeks until a more specific tint bin can be obtained from the manufacturer.
  3. Make the XP-L HI model now, and do the LH351D lights later.

Here’s the beam shot again, cropped to remove the other light in the original picture: />

I may be biased in that I want the XP-L Hi version, but I’d say produce the XP-L Hi now and then LH351D later. If I was going for the Samsung version I’d rather wait for the possibility of a good tint given what I’ve seen with my LH351D emitters.

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First, thanks ToyKeeper and pepinfaxera, without both of you these would be quite messy by this time Blushing You should get free lights!! Just saying!!

About the options above, I would say this:

ToyKeeper wrote:
#3 Make the XP-L HI model now, and do the LH351D lights later.

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Goodness TK, sifting through all of those posts like that. Even if you scripted something to help, its pretty amazing.

thisnameisvalid wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
A question for everyone…

There has been some difficulty obtaining LH351D 4000K 90CRI emitters, because only one supplier has them in stock. Otherwise, there is a 5 or 6 week wait time to get the LEDs.

Digikey has some in stock, but Bob_McBob tested them and found them a little on the green side. It’s picture #2 in that album, on the left.

So which do you think would be better:

  1. Make the lights now, using parts from Digikey. Based on Bob’s small sample, the tint might be above the BBL.
  2. Wait ~6 weeks until a more specific tint bin can be obtained from the manufacturer.
  3. Make the XP-L HI model now, and do the LH351D lights later.

Here’s the beam shot again, cropped to remove the other light in the original picture: />

I may be biased in that I want the XP-L Hi version, but I’d say produce the XP-L Hi now and then LH351D later. If I was going for the Samsung version I’d rather wait for the possibility of a good tint given what I’ve seen with my LH351D emitters.

I vote XPL-HI now. Ive seen so many green LH351s that im totally turned off by them unless we can guarantee a rosy tint. Ill buy 1-2 4k XPL-HIs right now if theyre offered at the estimated prices.

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My vote is for:

Make the XP-L HI model now, and do the LH351D lights later.  :THUMBS-UP:

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ToyKeeper wrote:

So which do you think would be better:
  1. Make the lights now, using parts from Digikey. Based on Bob’s small sample, the tint might be above the BBL.
  2. Wait ~6 weeks until a more specific tint bin can be obtained from the manufacturer.
  3. Make the XP-L HI model now, and do the LH351D lights later.

How much longer would it take to start manufacturing the Samsung led version if they start making the xpl hi first?

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Given the different tint preferences by everyone I’m imagining there will be a lot of emitter swaps happening anyway.

So option 1 or 3 is good

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My vote is for:

Make the XP-L HI model now, and do the LH351D lights later.

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I don’t mind waiting another 6 weeks and get the product like it was supposed to be but on the other hand I do like 4k XP-L HI so I’d probably get both Smile
As I’ve got mercy for my wallet I’d say let’s wait Wink

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What is planned for the LEDs?
Two choices
Samsung 4000K and
Hi ~5000k ?

Or
Four choices
4000K and ~5000K on both LEDs?

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My vote is for either option 2 or 3.

Getting excited now, please put my name down for one more! (request# 1460, total now = 2)

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I say start pumping out the HI versions and start building the better tint ones when they arrive. This project has potential to create the nearly ideal edc 18650 light. I’d hate to have a less than stellar tint and start wondering about modding it right off the bat.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
I must love you guys or something, because I went through the entire thread history and categorized every post as a [+] request, a [-] cancellation, or a [c]omment with no effect on the list. All 5400 posts.

Welcome in the house of the insane, Toykeeper.
Now we are two.

I did it a few posts earlier.

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No emitter at all for me please… I’ll swap them anyway Facepalm
That said, the XP-L HI will be pricier, so I’ll wait

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X3 wrote:
That said, the XP-L HI will be pricier, so I’ll wait

Was that confirmed /defined already?
$30 is the price, and it was talked about the XPL-HI being slightly more expensive ($35 ?!) but I’m not sure if it was defined already!

Anyway, I will still get an XPL-HI Big Smile

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MascaratumB wrote:
X3 wrote:
That said, the XP-L HI will be pricier, so I’ll wait

Was that confirmed /defined already?
$30 is the price, and it was talked about the XPL-HI being slightly more expensive ($35 ?!) but I’m not sure if it was defined already!

Anyway, I will still get an XPL-HI Big Smile

Kinda, $30 NON-HI, ~$36 XP-L HI, not sure if it was confirmed though.

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MascaratumB wrote:
X3 wrote:
That said, the XP-L HI will be pricier, so I’ll wait

Was that confirmed /defined already?
$30 is the price, and it was talked about the XPL-HI being slightly more expensive ($35 ?!) but I’m not sure if it was defined already!

Anyway, I will still get an XPL-HI Big Smile

Kinda, $30 NON-HI, ~$36 XP-L HI, not sure if it was confirmed though.

That’s my doubt too Silly

From Post#1:

FW3A Team wrote:
Pricing
Target $30 including shipping, manufacturer can decide own pricing afterwards.
Maybe $36 if XP-L HI emitters are used.
Not fixed yet!

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As others have suggested, I think the better option is making the XPL HI lights now, and waiting for a better tint for the LH351D.

After all, only a few weeks is not a lot considering the span of the project, and it would be a pity to get such a special light and settling with greenish LEDs.

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Remember. BLF-GT, agreed price + PayPal commission.

Shipping included (except some countries / destinations).

Suppose fw3a 30 / 36 shipping included + PayPal commission (except some destinations).

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I personally haven’t decided which one I want but I ‘d say option 3. So start making with XP-L HI now, do the LH351D with nice tint later.

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I would agree that #3 is the best option. Get those xp-l hi lights out there!

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Ideally for the 4 units i requested : 2x without emitters + 2x with LH351D far below BBL. I don’t mind an additional delay.
Start manufacturing the XP-L HI version ASAP.

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I’d be happy to buy mine without emitters.

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I’d prefer to wait for a good tint Samsung LED, if the only ones available at the moment are questionable.

I don’t want to pay 20% more for XPL-Hi.

I’m sure the XPL-Hi will be great, but I’ve got many other torches with them, and want to try something different.

How are Lumintop estimating the interested quantities for each option ? This is the first time that it has been clarified what is actually being considered, after the poll, and, understandably, the interest list does-not/could-not differentiate between preferred choices since the options were not finalised.

Perhaps the poll results might give a clue as to the breakdown, but that might require some clever statistical insight. And a delay to one option might skew the demand to the first to be available.

A suggestion: why don’t we formalise the way of joining the interest list, using a specific phrase that can be parsed automatically, or a web form/database, instead of by human labour ?

E.g. [express interest “Tom Tom” X1 option B]

or [cancel interest “Tom Tom” X2 option B]

Then, if option B is delayed, any wishing to change their mind to (available) option A would be allowed to do so, after a suitable delay, maybe a month, to allow all the option A list to place their orders, then any leftovers (I doubt there will be many) would be on a first-come first-served basis.

That’s one problem with offering a choice.

Then there is the difficulty of sending out unique codes to each on the lists, to be linked in to the distributor’s system (will this be direct from Lumintop, or instead via a retailer with a better distribution system than that of e.g. the GT ?)

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I vote make the XPL HI lights now.

Frankly I’m not interested in the other emitter anyways. I prefer the extra lumens and throw of XPL HI anyways.

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No led light with 5$ discount? I will change the emitters anyway, so I will let others decide.

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