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[2018-11-30] Report post button

Hi everyone,

It’s been a few years since the Rude! button and “Rudeness Meter” were implemented to crackdown on rude and conflictive posts and users. I admit that it was a rather controversial measure, and some users absolutely hated it. But I also suspect that most of the haters would admit that they disliked it because they frequently racked up points by getting into arguments or being… rude. Which is exactly what the Rude! button was supposed to make people aware of. Wink In addition to alerting users that their posts were offending others, the “rudeness meter” has also been of great help for me when moderating difficult situations to determine whether a given post was offensive to others too, if it was just my personal criteria.

So you were probably expecting this post to be about the elimination of the Rude! button. But it’s actually not going away. Instead, its name has been changed to: Report. And the “Rudeness Meter” has changed its function to measure “Reported Posts”. And that’s about all that has changed. The reason for this change is that many users did not understand why they were getting Rude! hits when their posts did not contain profanity or overt insults. And I admit that it was a bit of a misnomer, because the instructions for proper usage of the Rude! button were not limited just to insults and profanity. In reality, the instructions always were, and continue to be for the current implementation of the Report button:

budgetlightforum.com/node/47282 wrote:

This button should only be used on posts that are rude, lewd or conflictive
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Please also remember that one of the valid reasons to use the Rude! button is when a user is being conflictive. This includes starting, engaging in, or otherwise responding to arguments. The best way to stop an argument or make somebody stop trolling is by completely ignoring the post(s) and using the Rude! button when warranted. Also, please do not quote other users’ rude posts, since doing so only gives additional publicity to their rudeness.

So this means that the new Report button should be used on posts that violate BLF Rules #1 through #4:

BLF Rules wrote:

  1. Please don’t be rude. Rude people will have their accounts deleted.
  2. Please don’t use dirty language, please don’t swear, and please avoid lewd or risqué conversations.
  3. Please avoid controversial or divisive subjects such as religion and politics.
  4. Please avoid fighting. If you or somebody else is losing their calm, please drop the subject.

Rules #3 and #4 are often the most frequently overlooked:

  • Please strictly avoid all conversations about religion on this forum, which is not the proper medium for such topics. Also please strictly avoid all discussions that even touch on politics. I understand that there are flashlight-related topics that are relevant to our hobby and have a political aspect to them. (For example, “Country X increased its import tariffs for Chinese products.”) There are also unfortunately certain tragedies such as human and natural disasters that BLF users simply want to talk about, and these discussions are not prohibited categorically. However, great care must be exercised to not make such topics veer off into a political discussion. If any posts do head into that territory, please mark them with the Report button. Religious and political topics on this forum never end up pretty, so it is in your own best interest to avoid them here and help to control them via the Report button.
  • Also please absolutely avoid fighting. If you and/or somebody else starts getting hot under the collar, please drop the subject completely. The Report button should be used when somebody starts or participates in an argument, even if there is no profanity or direct insults. Very few users are determined enough to simply shout off into an echo chamber, and in almost all cases a fight will die out immediately if everyone ignores it completely. Also, please do NOT quote other users’ rude posts, and don’t try to moderate the situation. That’s my job, and I do it with the help of your Report button clicks.

Just as before, if a given post gets too many reports, it will be automatically removed. I understand that this places a lot of power in the hands of users, but so far it’s been much more helpful than harmful. Of course, I can fully audit the creation of puppet user accounts and the systematic abuse/manipulation of the system, and I usually permanently ban users that do so.

As before, you can see which of your post(s) were flagged as problematic by visiting this link:

http://google.com

A huge expression of thanks is also in order to our thousands of users that make a concerted effort to be helpful and polite. Keep up the good work! Thanks to all of you collectively for usually not being problematic and making my job generally hassle-free. Oh, and:

BLF Rules wrote:

9. Have fun.

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Hi SB, just curious as I’ve never seen it officially stated anywhere, obviously as the admin you’re in the top position as our “super mod” but are there other members here also in supporting moderator roles? It seems so but with no official stance it’s hard to know if they’re acting on their own, acting in an official capacity or just totally gone rogue…

I won’t drop any names as to the user’s I suspect to be in supporting mod roles (and I have no beef with any one) but I’m sure I’m not the only one to come to this conclusion and it’d be great if we could get an “official list” of who these people may or may not be. It could potentially keep some arguments from even starting if we were all on the same page that xxxxx is a “basic mod” and yyyyyy has the power to nix certain topics or whatever. Maybe just a posted list or custom user title group?

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I can honestly say that I have never clicked the Rude button on anybody. I have a pretty thick skin and don’t get offended easily. Everybody has bad days or sometimes days, months, or years. Smile Some people I think are just angry old buzzards who lost the will to be positive and decent. Everyone has probably been angry or agitated for a day or so, then there are those that have been that way for decades.

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Cereal_killer wrote:
Hi SB, just curious as I’ve never seen it officially stated anywhere, obviously as the admin you’re in the top position as our “super mod” but are there other members here also in supporting moderator roles?

Thanks for the question, I guess I should have made that clear a long time ago. Nope, BLF is rather unique in the sense that it is a large forum with precisely one (1) moderator. I do wear a lot of hats, but fortunately you guys and gals usually make it pretty easy for me. And this fact really underscores the critical importance of the semi-automatic “community moderation” buttons that are in place. In a certain sense it could be said that you are all moderators, so I appreciate the help.

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toddcshoe wrote:
Everyone has probably been angry or agitated for a day or so

Very true. I’m definitely willing to cut people some slack in that respect. We’re all only human.

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Thanks very much! My pleasure.

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Ah, very interesting. I’ve been convinced for a while now one other very popular member was some sort of mod here as he/she has stated, more than once, that they’re somehow responsible for thread moderation (specifically regarding SPAM posts not caught by the filter / spam button).

So to confirm 100%, NO ONE else shares ANY mod duties, in ANY capacity?

P.s. Thank you for everything, BLF is like no other internet community I’ve ever been a part of (hopefully it’s obvious I mean that as the highest of compliments)

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Cereal_killer wrote:
So to confirm 100%, NO ONE else shares ANY mod duties, in ANY capacity?

Correct.

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P.s. Thank you for everything, BLF is like no other internet community I’ve ever been a part of (hopefully it’s obvious I mean that as the highest of compliments)

Thank you very much!

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CRX wrote:
Thanks for all you do Thumbs Up
Mind the 6th needs stickied Wink

Ah, thanks for the reminder, I just sticky’d this post.

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Please avoid controversial or divisive subjects such as religion and politics.

What about Surefire worshippers? Wink
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CRX wrote:
Mind the 6th needs stickied Wink

Oops, sorry, gotcha now. Innocent Also sticky’d.

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Please avoid controversial or divisive subjects such as religion and politics.

What about Surefire worshippers? Wink
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Since your implementation of the “Rude” button, Ive noticed a steep decline in the number of infantile trolls and their collaborators. This saddens me, because I had organized a hunting part to decapitate them and shrink their heads to add to my collection. That aside, I still enjoy the fruits of my labors while clicking the “Mark as Spam” button. Its so satisfying to click, then receive a response that the thread can no longer be found. You could probably charge a fee for its use and collect bitcoins! Crazy

I too was under the impression there was more than one moderator. Its good to know that isnt the case. We accept you as judge, jury, prosecutor and hangman. Again, there are bitcoin opportunities in there for you!

Yes, yes! Ban all threads related to Surefire! If the word is used in this forum, the system should immediately delete the offending account with all its comments, then block the IP and MAC. Yes! That sounds great! And… may as well add another trigger of the same consequence for “CPF”. That horrible menace of dictatorial servitude should never be mentioned, and is easily the most offensive vernacular that could ever be posted anywhere. But since their mods are typically “Rude”, how would we “Report” them with the new changing of the button? Maybe several additional buttons could be created to cover a large number of adjectives and pronouns, with the ability to choose more than one! Indeed, there are many things to ponder, as we pour ourselves another while contemplate such irritating vagaries. Big Smile

All in good fun! As always, thank you for all your hard work in keeping the gears turning for the rest of us mere groundlings. It’ll be interesting to see how others interpret the “Report” button and find ways of abusing it. Hopefully, it makes your job easier as the membership and number of posts continues to grow.

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Someone observed a few years ago that “it’s not the trolling, it’s the biting” —- a caution about being hooked that I found very cautionary.

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sb56637 wrote:
Also, please do NOT quote other users’ rude posts, and don’t try to moderate the situation. That’s my job, and I do it with the help of your Report button clicks.
Some of us try to “warn” others of impending doom, rather than summarily mark posts “Rude!” (now “Report”). I’m guilty of that. I feel like the “Report” button has enough weight to it that I don’t want to wield it unnecessarily. I try to give people the benefit of doubt that maybe they don’t know and just need to be made aware. So… are you saying you don’t want us to give this kind of “heads up” but just mark the post and let them figure it out on their own? I can do that, if that’s what you want. But it feels like bringing a gun to a “rap battle”.

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seems a good thing to allow ppl to report to you any transgressions they perceive by others.
as opposed to chastising them theirselves with no letter of marque behind them

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@FlashPilot: Thanks for the kind words! I’ll be sure to add another “Report Surefire” button per your request. Smile

hank wrote:
“it’s not the trolling, it’s the biting”

Nice! I should make that the new BLF slogan.

@DavidEF: That’s a good question. I didn’t mean to be dismissive of such efforts to deescalate a situation, and I have indeed noticed those gentle nudges at times. If somebody can do so without further riling the offender and without getting emotionally pulled into the argument then I guess I don’t see any problem.

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klrman wrote:

I miss the rude button already, it was so much fun seeing everyone get all steamed up and confused about their posts  

I'm sure the Report button will provide you with plenty of entertainment.  :THUMBS-UP:

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klrman wrote:

I miss the rude button already, it was so much fun seeing everyone get all steamed up and confused about their posts  

I'm sure the Report button will provide you with plenty of entertainment.  :THUMBS-UP:

 

Was joking ... never used the rude button 

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I feel the reason Trolling/Very bad behavior is impacted so much by a Report button is because it is a quantifiable number.

People like having no negative numbers, since it keeps dopamine levels high.

In another way though, it’s a kind of self-censorship. I’ll let you think on that one Smile

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Cereal_killer wrote:
are there other members here also in supporting moderator roles? It seems so but with no official stance it’s hard to know if they’re acting on their own, acting in an official capacity or just totally gone rogue…


Oh, I’m not official, unless you mean officially full of myself. Wink


… as, I assume, are all the other people who talk as if they’re in charge… or feel that their presence is required in every discussion… or assume nearly every post is about or directed at them.

It’s especially fun when we get several in the same thread. But when that happens, it’s probably best to just report the worst bits and wait until everyone is done beating their chests at each other. They’ll generally calm down eventually.

In general, the guideline I’d suggest for whether to post something is: If saying it would escalate a conflict, don’t do it. But if you can de-escalate a conflict, it might be worth saying. Or if it’s otherwise interesting, insightful, informative, productive, or entertaining, say it. Just… don’t initiate or escalate conflicts.

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Sorry, that got longer than intended.

TL;DR: It’s a lot easier to make a mess than to make a thing of value. Don’t be that guy who goes around making messes. Try to add value instead.

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Well said TK. I’d use yourself as an example off a member that goes above and beyond adding just value. Smile

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Oh, I’m not official, unless you mean officially full of myself. Wink

 

… as, I assume, are all the other people who talk as if they’re in charge… or feel that their presence is required in every discussion… or assume nearly every post is about or directed at them.

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Never user the “Rude” button but got my first one this week due to a long “from the guts” post, that aimed no one in particular, just an overall feeling!
Well,I would have preferred to have the person PMing me and say something about it, than clicking on it! But those are just idiosyncrasies Wink

SPAM button gets some clicks now and then, specially when necromancy is used in long “dead” threads Big Smile

I guess this “Report Button”, having a less “negative” connotation may help to ease some fired up discussions Wink
But again, it’s up to us, members, to decide to write things and sending them or just let things pass Wink

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I do sometimes ask people to change their language or subject, only when what they post is indeed against the forum rules, but I do it because I have a 8 year old son myself and don’t want to have to hide my computer/tablet when he happens to watch. (he is starting to learn a bit of english atm and might become a flashoholic himself later Innocent ).

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raccoon city wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:


Oh, I’m not official, unless you mean officially full of myself. Wink


… as, I assume, are all the other people who … assume nearly every post is about or directed at them.


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I’m glad someone got the joke. Smile

I don’t know who C_k was actually talking about; I don’t read most of the threads on BLF. But after sb’s clarification that everyone here is on equal ground, hopefully people won’t act like they have any sort of special status. There is no hierarchy on BLF.

Anyway, the reported-post button seems to be a pretty effective measure for reducing bad behavior during difficult and divisive times. Also presumably helpful for optimizing sb’s admin time. I’d call it a win.

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I just clicked the report button on post #1 Evil

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Nev wrote:

I just clicked the report button on post #1 Evil

Well, he did tell us to have fun, and you seemed to enjoy it.  :-)

No harm, no foul.  O:)

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