Based on the poll results, 4500K would be the most popular CCT⌠if that type of LH351D existed. But since it doesnât, a T1/T2 is about as close as we can get.
For my personal use though, Iâll probably be pretty happy with XP-L HI 3D. I find it really hits the spot. And Iâll probably mod one to use 219B, eventually.
On a related note, forum member Nite Shadow pinged Nichia about making more 219B emitters in the nice R9080 sw45 bin everyone loves, and it sounds like itâs still possible. However, the minimum order size is 3500 pieces, the price is unknown, and the lead time is at least 3 months. So itâd require a pretty serious buyer. But if we arenât able to find a newer higher-powered LED with the same nice tint, perhaps more old ones can be sourced.
I would be more interested in the 219C SM4070E tint bin because the efficiency and output is higher and tint is similar to the 219B 9080 except red rendering is not as good.
We have 166x lights signed up now and it might grow to 1800 lights (1500 people) by the time the orders are ready to be put in. If half will be for the xpl-hi, thatâs maybe 900 orders total of that. Assuming the production doesnât hit any snags, Lumintop can probably build those in 2, maybe 3 weeks. (IIRC they did 400 Q8âs per week)
I suppose you could divide the list into 2 batches so roughly 750 people get the PM with order instructions. That might result in 400 orders. Those can get shipped. Then a week or 2 later do the other 750 people.
Then a week or 2 after that the LH351D version will be ready for orders.
If the same coupon code is used, all 1500 or so people signed up will order the LH351D at once resulting in long waiting. If a new code is created for the LH351D then it can be sent in 2 batches like the xpl-hi version.
This might reduce the time from âPayment to Deliveryâ which some people are sensitive about.
We could have 90% of all orders done over a 6 to 8 week period, fingers crossed.
It would also be wise to ship an early production version to someone close by who is familiar with Anduril to make sure itâs functioning correctly. Luckily Neal shipped a GT to Steel1024 in Taiwan who found an error in the way Narsil was flashed (I think 2 numbers were swapped by accident). Lumintop was able to reflash all the drivers before shipping and prevented a big problem. Maybe Neal can be shown how Anduril is supposed to function so he can check that the production lights work like their supposed to.
Anyway, just a few thoughts I had. Iâm sure you guys will find the best way to do it. Cheers.
IIRC Clemence mentioned there was/is an extremely high minimum order requirement to go along with the lottery concern, though I agree the sm4070e to be a great option.
After hearing how the LH351D looks in a TIR triple I absolutely wouldnât be opposed to another option. When that poll was run the SST-20 wasnât big like it is now, IDK if those have good tint bins available though.
If we could get 219Cs (or the new LH351C⌠although its kinda untested) that arenât super green Iâd absolutely be up for that too.
The low spot is the best place to hold it. It works particularly well between two fingers in a cigarette-style grip, sticking out like a second middle finger. If I put it between my middle and ring fingers, I find I can hold it comfortably while also doing other things with both hands, or even holding something else at the same time.
The raised tail section keeps it from slipping, and the button ends up right where it needs to be for a thumb press.
There are also about 400 lights for TLF, so itâs over 2000 already.
About how to handle messages and possible ordering codes and possible delays, not much is decided.
It might be possible to allow only XP-L HI orders at first, and then send messages out again later when the LH351D is ready. Or maybe Nealâs shop could list and allow orders for both, with a note that the LH351D will ship a few weeks later. That makes some things easier, and makes other things worse. Or hold back everything until both are available. I think it mostly depends on which set of headaches Neal is willing to deal with.
I agree that would probably be a good idea. I think that was supposed to be the idea behind proto3, and production was originally supposed to start quite a while ago, but proto3 didnât result in a lot of useful feedback. So weâre still kind of in limbo.
Itâd be nice to get a final sample to test and approve.
Yeah, when the poll happened, the theory was that production would start soon. But then a lot of time passed. Itâs probably too late to do another poll, but I definitely wouldnât mind if more emitter options were available after the initial batches. It might be good to have SST-20 high-CRI options in at least two color temperatures.
⌠and, personally, I thought the XP-G3 looked fine too. As long as itâs behind a frosted optic like 10511, the rainbow effects go away.
The throwier 10507 optic is popular, but it makes almost every emitter look bad. Meanwhile, the frosted 10511 makes almost every emitter look good, and it can be polished to give more throw if desired.
For sure, TK, it would be great to get a final sample to test and approve. I really hope this can happen somehow. We all know how things can get really messy, really quickly, if there are problems with the initial run. The Miller had the patience of a saint dealing with these issues in one group buy, and I doubt anyone else would want to deal with that. I certainly wouldnât wish it on anyone. I know there were other factors, but I assume dealing with it all contributed to his burn out of group buys, and this forum.
If we want the very best selected LED SKUs then we have to accept that there is a yield issue.
Itâs not as if the manufacturer just twiddles a knob and chooses the tint for that batch.
The concomitant is that once you start cherry-picking the âgoodâ ones, (which itself is costly) the quality of the rest reduces.
If you want only the âbestâ ones, then that can only be achieved on the back of a much bigger production run. Which requires a market for all the rest. If that isnât there, then it wonât happen.
Time is either ticking away (negative thinking) or moving forwards (positivity).
Meanwhile this thing seems to be in limbo. And borderline chaos.
Neal, since you seem to be âthe manâ here, please get a grip and try to sort things out, and communicate. Donât bottle it. Again.
If you canât do such simple stuff (procurement etc.), send TK a proto3, nor set up the distribution chain in advance, well. Iâd better say no more.
Iâve been thinking about it more. Can we require that TK most preferably, or if not, someone else who will test and report, get a final prototype before we go forward? Is this possible? It might very well save a lot of issues in the long run.