[2018-11-30] Report post button

I like that music, it was the time that my musical taste was formed and I especially liked the Specials. I have their (just 2, Specials, More Specials) records on vinyl and have to repair my record player at some point to listen to them again.

Well, you’re both right.
The question is where the red line should be drawn.

Kids know people sometimes use “bad” language, by the way.
They use it themselves too.
It also depends on the context if it’s over the red line or not.

We should be able to behave “normal” here i.m.o.

Its not really a button is it ?

I think this is very well said. :+1: . It speaks of ‘balance’, not legalism.

Hmmm… Well, you do have to ’click it’…. :wink:

Disclaimer: I’m not sure if this comment should be posted or not. On the one hand, my post is argumentative, it quotes problematic things, and it takes the bait instead of ignoring bait. On the other hand, Boaz’s post brings up some common sentiments which come up frequently and may be worth addressing instead of ignoring. When these things come up people may be angry, but they don’t seem to have harmful intent, and their feelings probably shouldn’t be ignored.

So… if this shouldn’t be here, please let me know and I’ll remove it. It seems like the most common sentiments should be addressed somehow though, even if not by me.

Oh. I guess I should leave. :frowning:

More seriously though, I could write a dissertation on the negative effects this type of attitude has, not just on internet forums but society in general… but on to more focused matters instead:

Although this takes things a bit far, I do think there is a valid point in here. The rude/report button goes a long way toward reducing bad behavior, but sometimes it’s not enough. Sometimes it’s important to also say something about why a post is problematic. Especially if the comment’s core message happens frequently.

… which is why I’m responding to this instead of clicking the button.

Sometimes a private message is a good way to do that. Sometimes something more visible is needed though, because the direct recipient isn’t the only one who needs to see the message. Something more visible can make the difference in whether new members join the forum, whether old members leave, or whether a troll feels safe posting something rude later.

Granted, it’s very difficult to challenge a troubling post in a way which doesn’t make things worse, so people should normally use the button instead. That’s kind of the point of it, to end fights before they start. And to move the handling of these things to someone who is both good at it and has the power to take action if necessary.

I think sb does a really good job striking a balance between too much intervention and too little intervention, between a police state and a troll haven.

Are you sure that fear is the healthiest way to encourage good behavior? Surely, there are other motivations which could work? Research has shown that the carrot is usually more effective than the stick.

This is a common complaint lately, all over the internet. But it seems like people may just be upset that a lot of the internet is becoming a legitimately nice place where bad behavior isn’t tolerated any more, where people aren’t okay with rudeness or sexism or slurs or meanness in general. People all over are generally just preferring to be nice and get along and try to make everyone feel welcome. It’s not about censorship or being pansies. People can handle the bad behavior; it’s just that they are rejecting the idea that poor behavior is cool or desirable.

Political slogans, just like politics in general, are counterproductive to the forum’s health.

It’s bad enough when people put strong political or religious opinions into their signatures; please don’t make it part of the post itself.

Irony intentional?

One thing I’ve tried very hard to do when I’m around is to make sure new members’ voices can be important too, not just old members. Sure, maybe some people show up with no clue and say things which are misguided, but other new people show up with really good ideas which breathe life into the forum. I don’t think it’s beneficial to ignore people until their post count is big enough to graduate from the kiddie table. At minimum, new members are good at seeing what is in the older members’ blind spots.

For example, two people who showed up and started making valuable contributions almost immediately are pepinfaxera and zeroflow. I’d hate to think how things would be if people like this felt too unwelcome or too invisible to participate.

Me too, honestly. And I’m more guilty than most. In such a “man’s forum” though, it’s kind of a requirement for a girl to have a, um, how shall we put it… a healthy self-image… in order to even participate in such a place without pretending to be a guy.

And that’s an issue I hope we can change.

Install the “Stylus” extension. Put this into it as a new theme:
http://toykeeper.net/torches/css/limit-quote-depth.css.export

Suddenly, no more quoted-quoted-quoted quotes. :slight_smile:

Also feel free to edit it to change the maximum quote depth.

I take it for what it is =a figure of speech
Sometimes certain people are a bit trigger happy with the rude button .
I’m glad it’s not called the rude button now ,I’m sure sb has better things to do than than To go over every rude button press , I’m sure there’s numerous presses per day ,most are probly not worth worrying about.

Its no secret that there are simply far, far too many people who waste the better part of their miserable lives on an obscure flashlight forum, with virtually no life outside of it. Many have a family they ignore to live their lives here. So pathetic! :confounded: AND many of their comments are frivolous, falsely speculative and inaccurate, while coming across as authoritative experts, which drastically lowers the overall quality of this forum. You know the ones… who constantly post stupid crap in nearly every thread posted.

I have inquired several times for a tool to block certain profiles to weed out the foolish, but Mr. Admin wants us all to read everyone’s posts, no matter how irritating, condescending and wasteful. So to help alleviate the torrent of verbal diarrhea and nonsense that spews forth from the foolish/incompetent/pathetic, I propose that Mr. Admin graciously considers the addition of…

a huge red “TIME-OUT-YOU-FRIGGEN-MORON!!!” button, to boot them for a contiguous 3 month period of time. Yes, indeed… that would be quite a fun and popular button to press! :laughing: :innocent: :partying_face: Mr. Admin could charge a $10 paypal fee for each press, and it would still get completely hammered by hundreds who wish a turn in helping to get rid of the “verbal projectile diarrhea spewers”! I would think a threshold of 3 button presses should be sufficient in eliminating the cretins.

What say thee, Mr. Admin? The funny thing is this would actually work, while increasing the quality and integrity of information and the friendly demeanor of this forum. Not to mention your bottom line.

…AND Im still waiting patiently for our SUREFIRE and CPF banishing buttons! :beer:

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Should posts with commercialization in sig lines be limited to the commercialization listings?
Why should unlimited sig line space be allocated to insignificant “me too” posting?
Who needs more than a line or two for a relevant sig line?

I'm not a fan of wordy signatures.

(In fact, my sig probably has too many words.)

But I wish more people would put pics in the signatures.

And everyone should have an avatar as well.

I think it adds character.

The tools are available. This can be accomplished individually with the Stylus browser plugin and a few lines of code.

Here is an example of the code to use: http://toykeeper.net/torches/css/blf-blacklist.css.export

You can make someone’s posts appear smaller or dimmer, or even entirely invisible if you like.

I don’t see much of this any more as i don’t go into the big threads its a pain to many people with differing opinions and views plus to many reply’s of a random nature. I am sure i have my moments where i rant and rave i am not perfect either but i try not to start conflict. I do a majority of reading and only reply here and there now.

I think naturally its normal for a new member to be some what troublesome and speak there mind. Not so much in a bad way what they are saying may be correct but the thread or reply may lead to bigger issues. We can usually pick out the better members after a while. Plus new members may only know half a story.

Other issue here is new SOME new members only join to be apart of group buys which is not what BLF is about and when money is involved no good happens lol.

@ToyKeeper Very well stated, as usual. Thanks a lot for your input. (I won’t quote the whole thing for obvious reasons, although some points there were definitely worth repeating. :slight_smile: )

Regarding you being one of the few female enthusiasts here, I hope that we guys manage to transmit our respect and admiration for your level-headed contributions of knowledge and wit to the discussions here. I imagine that it probably doesn’t always come across that way, so thanks for your patience and restraint.

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Speaking of ToyKeeper, I have total respect for her. She is one smart human being.

I aslo want to thank Toykeeper for the well thought expressions. I am an infrequent poster but have been around for a while. The bash the newbie because they don’t act the way they are expected by some attitude is invariably damaging. This is exactly why CPF is so widely “not enjoyed”.It is also counterproductive and does not lead to growth. I “enjoyed and endured” that attiitude for a 2 year apprenticeship for Goodyear. 25 years later as a journeyman I made sure not to display that attitude toward any new guys and lo and behold I was respected by the oldtimers and the new folks AND,continued to get payed each week. This is a social media site where we enjoy certain people like Mr. Atbglenn Lightbringer, Toykeeper Mr Admin and so many others. Some I just move on, because even though they can contribute so much more than I, their attitude is not the sort I want to socialize with. By this monitor I invite these folks into my home head and thoughts. Some of the really self important folks need a cranial laxative but that will never happen. Report away as you will. Just my thoughts for what they are worth. Man’s forum? Asinine at best as well as revealing.

Obviously does not mean women are not welcome.
On the contrary, probably.
It’s just that technical hobbies are the habit of mainly men, so you’ll find mainly men on such forums.
And that’s why it can be called a “man’s forum”.

But you know this too, so maybe you’re kind of joking.
(probably women’s humour then :partying_face: :beer: :wink: )

I highly doubt that’s true, or at least, that this is always true.
I think it’s often best to give someone the choice between pursuing either the stick or the carrot.
Matter of pointing out the red line AND the way ahead.
Of course this depends on the situation too.

Well, no.
PC policing is rampant and truth is offensive nowadays.

Unfortunately it often IS.

Well, that’s true.
But, this depends on the forum / site / platform too.
Have you ever visited the chans? :person_facepalming:

Is it political to want to make something great (again)?
Is it counterproductive to want to make something great (again)?
Is your objection perhaps an example of the pointless PC policing trend?

I agree there.
It can cause problems.
It depends though.
VoB’s reference to Jesus Christ in his signature, for example, is just that: a reference, still with a message, but a positive message. Yes, it is ‘religious’.
I do have a problem with signatures such as the one Djozz has.
It’s political, it’s condescending and condemning.
It’s also based on ambiguous premises and a skew view on reality.
(I could elaborate, but i won’t.)
Ironically Djozz is often very vocal about being against discussing politics…

But should such signatures be forbidden?
Or should we ‘man up’ about it and let it be?

I think it’s called ‘ranting’. :slight_smile:

I don’t think that’s true.
You can be yourself here.
Yes, even if you don’t have a Y chromosome. :wink:

I think only you can change your attitude / perception regarding your position here as a woman.
I’ve told you before, you’re a highly valued and appreciated BLF member.
The guys here cut you more slack than they would the average guy.
So i don’t understand your complaint, to be honest.
I hope it’s not you who thinks of us guys as being uncivilized.
So let’s look at it without the gender stamp on people.
Some people are civilized and behave civilized, others are not.
Some aren’t but behave well, some are but don’t behave well.
On line, that is.
In real life it’s often quite different.

And then there’s being civilized while being arrogant too.
Or being uncivilized while being humble.

Well, etcetera…
Peole are people and they’re all different, but some are a bit less different than others. :smiley:

You forget that some noobs are rude and arrogant or otherwise annoying. This will be ‘corrected’ with obvious reactions, naturally.

That’s arrogance and snobbism rather than correcting obnoxious noobs.
Thankfully most noobies are well behaved, and then there’s no problem.

Maybe you should just ‘man up’ a bit in stead of being a ‘victimized SJW’.
Some people are jerks, especially on line. Or maybe only on line, but not in real life.
Yes, it comes at you right in your home.
Weird times in that respect…
So i can relate, and i’ve been / felt ‘hurt’ too via the internet.
And i can be a jerk too…
But it is what it is.
And frankly, this forum is one of the best places to be, in my experience.

I'm very glad ToyKeeper is a member here.

And, in general, I think women are better than men.

I'm sure there are a good number of the fairer sex here that don't want to say that they're female because women are many times not treated with respect, especially online.

I don't think Boaz was hating on women, however, despite his non-politically-correct mini-rant.

Hey I represent that remark!

One of the things that makes BLF special is the relatively unique relationship with commercial and semi-commercial entities. (I hesitate to use the word “people” even if I am a member of that group.) Many small solo operations and custom makers were started by normal enthusiasts with mere sig lines.