[♛ FreemeGB] Fireflies PL47 Gen II 4*XP-L/ Nichia/ SST20 Hi CRI 21700 Right Angle Flashlight - ENDED

As it’s my first multiemiter TIR flashlight I’m not sure how optics should look like so I’m just gonna post this pic and you tell me.

Like I said - my first quad flashlight and actually first with semi-clear optics. The beam is nice and even so not a real-life issue. Was just wondering if it looks simmilar in D4/D4S.

Well, then I guess the quality of Fireflies flashlight really needs some extra attention as other manufacturers already rised the bar in this price point in the fit and finish department.
Can’t have it all. Innovative, well made, inexpensive. Choose two :smiling_imp:

Mine arrived today and I’m in love! This light is way more compact than I could imagine. The fit and finish are perfect and the optics look just as good as my D4.

The output on the Nichia version puts out much more lumens than I could ever need for my application (work). The tint…… absolutely beautiful!

I was waiting for this light to arrive before buying the E07, now that I have this light in hand I’m definitely picking the E07 up.

But, I understand Vinh will be putting Oslons in the E07, so I will likely purchase one from him. :+1:

Also, the button seems fine to me…

.003” (76 microns) would be a large tolerance even for mil spec thick hard anodising. More likely 50 microns at most.

Ordinary cosmetic coloured anodising would be no more than 25 microns thick. (that’s just .001”), and probably much thinner, even as thin as 5 microns. And by some early accounts, it is on the thin/soft side.

Then, the rule of thumb is that the anodising thickness is 50:50 build-up vs. reduction of the metal. I.e. if looking at the inside diameter of a tube, even a top-notch mil spec thick hard anodise might result in no more than 76 microns overall reduction, compared with the thinnest cosmetic treatment. That’s an improbable absolute most, and that’s being generous.

https://metalfinishingsltd.co.uk/articles/anodising-dimensions/

0.4mm actual difference ? That’s an order of magnitude worse than even my most worst case 0.07 mm estimate. So no, this theory doesn’t work. It does not explain the large difference in dimensions being reported.

I would suggest that these were two separate batches of tubes, machined slightly differently (I could also speculate why, but am trying to stick to only the facts and data that are beginning to build here, as precise people begin to receive theirs, and maybe post more photos).

Then anodised as separate batches (the colour dying is the second process (followed by the sealing) after the actual anodising, so no reason why a single run of tubes and other pieces etc. could not have all been machined in one run, then run through the treatment process simultaneously, with only the secondary dying and sealing different, as the final steps.

More flexible too, when you are only offering pre-orders, and not sure what the proportion of the two colour choices (nor emitters) will turn out to be.

Initial photos showed a hybrid colour scheme, black head and tail, champagne tube, which would have solved any colour mis-match issues, but turned out not to be popular.

Really not being negative here, just trying to reach out to FF to help them consider some basic stuff, and maybe make a few suggestions to those already with them, or on order.

Isn’t that why FF are offering BLF these first things first, to “kickstart” a run, shake out the bugs, get some revenue, hopefully generate a good buzz ? I’d hope they are in the mood to listen, and learn, and react swiftly, though it might seem a bit overwhelming to them at the moment. If so there could be a great future ahead.

It’s only their second attempt, after all. This is still recoverable.

Its a 50 dollar flashlight, its not a mercedes. I find that it is a bargain versus what i got and paid for at zebralight. And i love me some zebralight. Acebeam wants 120$ for a 70.2/21700. I really dont understand the problem.

There seems to be a minority here who have really specialized standards who speak loudest and longest and most often and just keep going on about it—and ultimately appear to be the sort that would argue about the color blue.

It might be appropriate in the spirit of objective analysis to preface some of your comments with, “i am really, really fussy. My expectations of a 50$ light is that it be a 100$ light.”

Alot of people seem to be happy with theirs.

Recoverable? You sound like the guy on the corner holding a cardboard square with, “the end is nigh” written on it in sharpie. You make it sound like they just put fish in your underpants.

Just breathe.

Oh and you apologized to the forum for being a grumpy pants. But as expected not to the individuals whom you chose to vent your angsty negative mental energy on.

Still waiting.

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You make it sound like they just put fish in your underpants.
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Why is this so stinking funny. I just keep laughing, than reading again, then laughing some more. I’m so immature.

As someone not familiar with Oslons how do they compare to say XPL HI? Lumens?
Throw? Heat? Thanks!

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Youre not immature

Because it -is funny. I laughed too, as i thought of it…As i was typing rational thoughts and common sense into my phone…

—i pictured a wild haired crazy man, in a dark smokey room, banging away hate and fear and desperation into his computer with reckless abandon, and the guys from fireflies were there with a bucket of sardines just slipping them into his skivvies one by one as he grumbled and banged away on the keys. Shaking his head violently. Raising a fist every now and again and shaking it all about, as he beat the hell out of his poor keyboard. As if to say, “YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!”

And i did it again. Well maybe i am immature as well.

I am already using just that - 23 mm would be a better fit but this works well enough.

That feels a wee bit perjorative. Almost like you are insulting me. Kind of a wee bit richard-ish, no? It feels like we are no longer friends the way you said that with a sneer—and exclamation. Dont like it bub. Not one bit.

Therefore,

I think you also have fish in your underpants.

My batteries fit fine. You might also consider in the spirit of objective analysis to preface your comments with, “i am also fussy with undiagnosed aspergers, and my social graces are shall we say lacking.”

Leafeye, I’m with you. There’s a lot of unknowns. It’s not perfect, but I broke the rule, it worked with the awesome Q8. I’ll wait on mine there still on New Jersey!

The 50E wasnt even available when this light was being designed IIRC. I think some fault falls on battery producers if the dimensions of cells that should be identical in size are different enough for some to barely fit.

Tue 50e was well released bro. Go back to bed.

Can someone please answer this fine gentleman. I don’t know the answer. I just know the Oslon is a SUPER THROWER!

Youre not immature

Because it -is funny. I laughed too, as i thought of it…As i was typing rational thoughts and common sense into my phone…

—i pictured a wild haired crazy man, in a dark smokey room, banging away hate and fear and desperation into his computer with reckless abandon, and the guys from fireflies were there with a bucket of sardines just slipping them into his skivvies one by one as he grumbled and banged away on the keys. Shaking his head violently. Raising a fist every now and again and shaking it all about, as he beat the hell out of his poor keyboard. As if to say, “YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!”

And i did it again. Well maybe i am immature as well.
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Bro, we could be good friends. You are my kind of funny. Thanks for the comic relief. :laughing:

You are wrong about many things. And there have been alot of people who seem to have bought the right batteries, so not a “got mine” scenario.

It is obvious to me you should not have purchased this light until after it has had some bugs worked out. You are to excitable.

As i have mentioned before in all of my apologizing: They have one battery listed on the website under pl47. An lg i think. That one is the one you should have bought—if you needed the light right away. As i have mentioned zebralight only lists under the light they sell the batteries guaranteed to fit. Mtn electronics also lists batteries guaranteed to fit.

Only 1 battery is listed under the pl47. Just the one. Caveat emptor. This is true with all non-walmart flashlights. Derp.

I have alot of flashlights in the 18650 format. I also have alot of 18650 batteries and none of those batteries are the exact same size. Should be 18mmx65mm. Do you think even one of them is that actual size? A 21700 should be 21mmx70mm. I would not expect this to be the case, especially as this appears to be a new format on the heels of tesla packs.

‘Freedom’ went on and on about battery fitment. He was obsessed earlier in this thread—wouldnt stop talking about it—but no one had an answer because no one had a light tj measure. He was right to have concerns, but he needed to wait until we could measure the battery tube. Then you measure the batteries or take a battery manufaturers word or their vendors word that that is the precise size. Assuming every battery made by a manufacturer will also be identical is silly, and to think across brands? There are what 5 major manufacturers and the rest are rewraps. So lg, panasonic, sony, sanyo and samsung are originals any other name is going to be fatter because they rewrapped.

As for your gas nozzle analogy i agree a gas nozzle should fit. It is national/ global infrastructure the whole planet falls apart if it doesnt. Thats why it has a weights and measures sticker on the pump.

You are comparing apples to penguins. Flashlights are not standardized, the batteries most certainly are not stadardized. If you want any battery to fit you should stick with alkaleaks and nimh. I suspect they have to meet certain criteria.

But to take it a step further even within a set cell size you have considerable variance just with chemistry those that require protection Circuits and those that dont. Flat tops button tops and weld tops. Just look at the 18650 cell, look at your own batteries biggest to shortest. Fattest to skinniest. This format has been around and still wildly fluxuates. 21700 only seems to have come to the fore about a year ago. How the hell do you think that will all of a sudden have a weights and measures standardization. Thats just silly.

Then if you are a flashloght maker. Do you pick the longest cell? Shortest cell? To base your tube on? Like my zebras they picked the tiniest cell they could find that pushed at least 10a. To keep those buggers small. So this means bigger batteries may be problematic. This is logic working. You cannot make a standard tube for a battery that does not have a standard size. Too big wont fit in, too small wont engage contacts.

IF THERE WAS NO INFO ON BATTERY SIZE THEN IT WAS NOT YET ESTABLISHED AND IT IS ON YOU TO BUY LIGHT THEN MEASURE LIGHT THEN BUY BATTERY.

this really is simple. You bought your batteries first just like i did—and hoped for the best. But that was a silly and uninformed decision. Now you want fireflies to make you a new battery tube to fit your favorite battery.

Thats absurd. Buy the battery they sell. Or wait too see what people say will fit. Period.

Easy peasy. This is the same throughout the industry.

Not dor nothing, but there was an episode of southpark not to long ago where they poked fun at yelp reviewers. This reminds me of that. In fact i have been singing about boogers and gum as i typed.

Another thought.

They only have to have 1 battery fit. If other batteries fit that is just swell.

Look at battery operated power tools. Lets take a dewalt 18v li-ion drill. Should makita batteries be expected to fit this drill? OF COURSE NOT. That would be considered silly and rediculous.

Oh no my milwaukee battery wont fit in my bosch drill. And my bosch battery wont fit in metabo. And metabo isnt interchangeable with festool, and kobalt doesnt like ridgid….

Another analogy might be comparing pcs with macs. Everything apple is licensed, software peripherals etc. Designed and licensed to work together. Pc not so much, the advantage of apple is whatever you are able to find branded apple will work together, but not all manufacturers will develop products for your system because of the hoops. Alternatively, pc has all kinds of products made for it but it is an utter jungle of chaos. Driver this compatibility that. More choices but more difficulty getting it to jive.

I just got my pl47 xpl hi 5000k today. The beam looks great on the white wall and outdoor… all the 21700 batteries fits perfectly and no rattle…

3930 lumen …
Magnetic tailcap is weak… it will not stick.


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