What I might be able to do is a online table (Like my chargers and multimeter tables), but with filters instead of sorting, but what to include in this type of table?
Battery name, battery size, date tested, button top, capacity at 0.2A, capacity at 3A, capacity at 10A, capacity at 20A
Yeah that would be sweet.
I’m sure you can easily embed a google spreadsheet or something like that with little effort, and people could download the whole sheet if they wanted.
So a fully set filter could look like:
Flat top, 21700, >4500mAh @5A
Using filters that way would greatly reduce the list the user has to research by reading the reviews.
Very often you give cells some sort of rating in your reviews. You could add a score field. But perhaps that’s not needed because junk cells won’t pass a filter anyway.
What I am talking about is something like this: Index of reviewed multimeters technical list
That table is not official and will not be update (it will probably be removed soon).
It is easy enough to mark the table and copy it to a local spreadsheet.
I know Dennis.
That’s why I wrote it this way.
It is very good for a company to tell the truth.
It is not a bad idea for the company to say which battery it uses under its cover.
On the contrary.
This makes consumers show confidence in this company.
Bravo Vapcell Dennis and thank you.
Go on like this …
For those who do not know, Panasonic and Sanyo are the same company.
Panasonic bought Sanyo a few years ago.
I wrote this so as not to confuse someone watching me I was going to mention it
Panasonic NCR21700A
and Dennis to write about
Sanyo NCR21700A
And… less sales.
Rewraps are for generating extra cash.
Manual:
“Just buy something that fits.”
versus
“Bad cells may damage your vap, cause injury or even death. See below for a list of approved vapcell dealers”
A company that does not say what battery it uses can cause a serious accident to the user who will rely on what the cover says.
Even more Amperes are listed on the cover that can discharge a battery if I know what the manufacturer says, I will use the battery with the data reported by the manufacturer.
I do not need to mention older bad situations that we all have seen on a video or even a personal level ……
If everyone buys the Sanyo, Vapcell would make no $ on battery sales.
If everyone buys rewraps then capcell does make some extra $ on battery sales.
Really it’s that easy.
I think ZoomieFan means … less revenue for the rewrap company.
If I know which battery is, why should I get the rewrap?
That’s what I think it means.
He’s right … if he means that …
But it’s rare to copy a rewrap company …
I do not see a gain as opposed to the profit it will have if I copied an authentic battery …
…… as a cover I mean of course ……
Sure. My post was just a short statement. No in depth discussion.
I 100% agree there are very bad cells that are not even worth looking at. Everyone reading HKJ’s tests know that.
My point is/was: Sanyo, Samsung, and a few others make very good cells.
The company could have advised those cells.
Rewarpping a Sanyo doesn’t improve its quality somehow.
Exactly. More brands means a bigger chance to find a good deal
He does.
Not copying the rewrap (Vapcell) company.
Just Vapcell rewrapping Sanyo and then sell it as their own. That way they make some cash instead of only Sanyo.
I can imagine there is a profit in it. Numbers as a way of explanation.
Sanyo sells cells for $2/each.
A famous company rewarps them, adds some marketing claims and sells then for $10/each.
Then a copycat rewraps the Sanyo’s with the same wrap and sells them for $5/each.
Or even more illegal, buy junk batteries at $0.50/each and then rewrap and cell as something good and famous.
Dennis I have experience similar to what you wrote.
I bought authentic batteries … and it was only authentic as a name.
This is the problem.
I use long enough authentic … but also rewrap batteries.
Many times I buy rewrap to avoid monkey batteries …, knowing of course exactly what battery I buy ……
That’s why I do not mind if she writes Sanyo or Vapcell the cover …
ZoomieFan …
I do not disagree with you …
Just copy a copy, I do not think it’s the best if you want to sell ….
Vapcell, Enercig, Keeppower, Orbtronic, Fenix, AW, Redilast …… and others are all companies that put different batteries under their covers …
Mostly from good battery manufacturers.
These companies do not consider them the same value as some others … that we all know …. No need for names I believe …
Vapcell, for some time now, seems to want to show the world her good face.
For me, this is absolutely positive.
In the past I have been fighting with some company rewrap here.
The reason was that he tried to fool us that he was making batteries, and many people from here in our hands had our batteries, we opened them and we mentioned that it is the Samsung 25R.
How can I now trust such a company?
On Enercig, I will give confidence because on top of her covers or even on the company’s website if you get in, you will see that in many batteries it has original covers and has just placed a card in the battery with its name.
So I know from the beginning what I will buy …
That’s what I liked and what Dennis wrote ….
The truth …
Ok, I certainly understand better why rewraps are important. For example SONY does not like their cells being sold individually, outside a complete pack.
And I guess Dennis has to be as clear as mud about what this cell is a rewrap of. But no matter how you rewrap it, it's barely 15A, probably rated lower by the original manufacturer, and certainly never meets it's rated capacity. The droppage of capacity between 0.2A and 5A has me a little concerned, but for a lower performing cell, maybe it's more common.
At this point, I regret buying this one piece and won't be buying again. It won't keep me from buying Vapcells though, because I'm very pleased with many of their other offerings, like the rewrapped VTC5D. Bottom line though through testing like what HKJ does here, we can positively identify the good rewraps if all variants are tested.
Except that you still risk that at the time of your purchase the wrapped cell is different from the one reviewed. And even if its not…how can you know if the next batch the rewrapper got was of the same grade?