Project Genesis

Compared to the $500-$2000 flashlights this is definitely budget.
It depends on how big a person’s ‘budget’ is.

Pretty much everything you can buy from metals distributors is T6, that’s the standard.
If something just says 6061 you can assume it’s all T6.

I agree Enderman. And if we purchase 3, 4, or 5 budget lights in a year, why not save up and splurge from time to time on something a little more special. :+1:

I am off to set up a GoFund me for this one. Looking like a must have. lol

Both twisty and clicky looks good. Don’t know which to choose but I’m pretty sure I’ll get a quad version.

This hits me of Surefire tough at a potentially lesser price yet with a substantially superior UI and battery accommodation.

IMO I wouldn’t lose a grip ring facilitation in the hard fabrication contour aspect or else provide it through an optional removable rubber grip ring accommodation. Essential IMO.

That and the forward clicky option is also essential here. Don’t be afraid of a protruding tail button. Not everyone wants to tail stand every light in their possession at the expense of forward clicky practical elegance. A receding sunken in button is not conducive to a true forward clicky/momentary.

This flash appears to encompass clean aesthetic lines and essentially a true combat readiness twist of which rightfully so Surefire has already earned. (The best of both worlds?)

Whatever anyone may say about CPF “snobbiness” the original cats over there knew and know QUALITY. Surefire has that FEEL and they over at CPF understand it better than many.

So maybe this Genesis is in a way a VinhFire if you will. :open_mouth: Don’t know if this is watt Vinh has in mind butt it’s at least in my mind.

Bottom line: This is/could be one bad azz flash. :slight_smile:

I may have to get one. Or two. Or……. :disguised_face:

Looking forward to this !

This is like surefire but with actually decent performance and features :smiley:

I just wish it had USB C charging, maybe that’s too much to ask from a simple, high-durability light.

it looks like a mortar. sweet :+1:

Vinh, Give more closer info on pricing. If good I will buy 4.

Awww thanks all for the support. I will post as much concrete details as I have them in. I am now working on the list of tweaks that needed to be done for Proto V2. I likely wont knwo anything about pricing until I commit. I plan to do my first run of 100. If possible I would also serialized them.

+1 for USB C charging

There wont be. May be on my second light but on this one I put reliability first. Also I want the light 100% protected from the element so it can be used as a diving light or a really rough in the dirt and mud duty light.

Yes, this - I have a use for the durability - usb is a minus for my purpose

I also never charge my cells in a light unless I have to. I do not trust small built in charging circuits as a dedicated charger with a Fan and more advanced voltage management. Even without a Fan a dedicated charger is also more beefy to handle the load extensively. Yes I know cellphones are tiny and they have very reliable charging circuits too but there are much more investment going into those charging circuits VS our lights. But do note that there are many cell phones fire accidents while charging as well. I also can charge the cell outside of a light at a safer location than I can with the cell inside the light. Like outdoor in a garage for example. Cant trust leaving my expensive light out there. Also a bad built in charging circuit can hurt the light electronics and putting my expensive light at risk. I have worked with hundreds of lights with USB charging circuits and I have seen them failed multiple times on all different brands. I also sell many many chargers and have no returns so far. I have only broke 1 charger but that was my fault. Dedicated chargers in general are safer and more reliable from my experience. I would strongly recommend sticking with them and only use the built in charging when there are no other options. I am not lazy to remove the cells and drop then in a dedicated charger. Just my personal take.

Ultimately every decision made will be a business one. I will gauge the general consensus on this topic before I commit. Thanks for your feedback.

Paragraphs man!

Paragraphs. :smiley:

My take is that it’s much more convenient to only carry a cable around (which I have to carry anyway for my phone) when going to school, work, vacation, etc.
Dedicated chargers are bulky, heavy, and usually require a wall outlet and can’t charge from a laptop or other 5v power bank.

Charging a battery is actually not very complicated, Just constant current, then constant voltage, and then a cutoff.
If a charging circuit is designed correctly it is just as reliable as a simple flashlight driver.

Cell phone fires are rare, and mainly happen because of the fast charging rates they use in addition to having pouch lithium packs.
Cylindrical li-ion cells are much safer, and if you don’t charge them at super high speeds (like quickcharge) there is pretty much 0 risk of a fire or explosion.

Agreed. USB charging can be nice, especially for muggles who don’t want to remove a cell and worry about which way to put it back in (especially with flat-tops), for use as a travel-light (eg, in hotel rooms), or to be able to charge it in a car in case of emergency, etc.

But for a rugged light, a charging port is always a weak point, allowing water ingress, collecting dirt, having rubber plugs pulled off, etc.

Some flashlights have the charging port hidden inside the light, so that it is protected by the o-ring seals that are already there.

There are also waterproof rated USB C ports (like on all the IPX8 phones) but that would still allow dirt to fill the port, so one of those flimsy rubber caps would be required.
I prefer the “protected inside the light” type of charging port.