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I’m in for one LH351D, please and thank you!

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I have to admit, in and of itself, that light in dark charcoal matte grey looks very nice. Wink

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DB Custom wrote:
I have to admit, in and of itself, that light in dark charcoal matte grey looks very nice. Wink

I agree. Is this another prototype that has been released? Did I miss something?

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I’m listed for 2 … after seeing these images, I may opt for more Smile

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Perhaps tatasal can solve the mystery of those pictures?

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An 18650 light this small isn’t new. Several Zebralights, the Nitecore HC30, some DQG stuff, and others are the same size or smaller. While a tail-e-switch on an 18650 light this small probably was new when the FW3A was announced, the Folomov 18650S has that.

I’m not sure the FW3A does any one thing that hasn’t been done before, but it combines a lot of good ideas that are rare in the industry with good physical design, good emitter options, high max output, and a great UI.

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djozz wrote:
teacher wrote:

When people are depending on you & your input about something, so that it may come to completion… there is absolutely no excuse on earth to just ‘disappear & go totally silent’ unless you are dead, totally incapacited (physically or mentally), or lost in a remote wilderness area. No excuse at all.

It makes no difference if life happens, you lose interest, you get mad, whatever.

It takes about a minute or two to make a short post (in the case of BLF) or send an email saying you quit & pass the torch on to someone else.


My opinion:

2) For Fritz and most others this project is part of his hobby. Essential to hobby is that there are no obligations. If he feels like it he may disappear and go silent just like that, for any or no reason. It is a pity for Lumintop, Toykeeper and all other people who have hope for his continuing input, and a message explaining why is welcome (you’d be surprised how much effort it takes to write a simple message in a situation where people are so demanding as in this thread), but actually demanding anything is totally out of place.

I have to agree with teacher on this one. If you are just participating as an individual in a hobby, then sure you can just go dark with no explanation or obligation, but when you are the founder and organizer of a movement involving 200 pages, over 6000 posts and 2000 commitments to order a product, then you DO have an obligation as a regular decent human being to at least keep people informed of your intentions. especially considering you are still logging into the site. It’s complete crap to claim that you have no obligation to even post “I quit” at that point. Sure everyone is busy with life, but how many of us would use that as excuse to leave over 1200 people waiting on even a few words for over 6 months? That’s majorly uncool.

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so the pics mean what, im confused where do they come from if Fritz is nowhere to be seen tatasal has a prototype of the light or ?! considering the huge list of interested buyers its not too much ask to write whats going on if they light will ever reach production or not ?

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Some of these comments remind me of a kid flailing on the supermarket floor after not getting their way. This entitlement mentality is really sad. It says on the very first post “it will be done when its done”. People with no money spent should really manage their expectations – look in the mirror for real….Make your own or get a custom maker to make you one and unsubscribe and/or get off the list if you don’t like how it is. Simple.

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tundraotto wrote:
Some of these comments remind me of a kid flailing on the supermarket floor after not getting their way. This entitlement mentality is really sad. It says on the very first post “it will be done when its done”. People with no money spent should really manage their expectations – look in the mirror for real….Make your own or get a custom maker to make you one and unsubscribe and/or get off the list if you don’t like how it is. Simple.

Look, we are all in here because we want to actually buy this light based on whats been posted. It doesnt matter if nobody has spent any money, we just ask for an update since june last year nothing of the maker of the light or design guy has posted an update whats going on with the project alive or not, where are they how long are we supposed to wait for something that maybe will not happen perhaps? Then it would be better imo come clean say sorry light is scrapped due to personal problems etc…. dont u agree ?

I understand a months silence isnt anything to panic about, but its been 6 months now isnt that already long enough to not wanting an update whats going on ? Again it doesnt take more then a minute to login and write short whats up, silence in the long run is never a good sign last time i checked.

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mortuus wrote:
tundraotto wrote:
Some of these comments remind me of a kid flailing on the supermarket floor after not getting their way. This entitlement mentality is really sad. It says on the very first post “it will be done when its done”. People with no money spent should really manage their expectations – look in the mirror for real….Make your own or get a custom maker to make you one and unsubscribe and/or get off the list if you don’t like how it is. Simple.

Look, we are all in here because we want to actually buy this light based on whats been posted. It doesnt matter if nobody has spent any money, we just ask for an update since june last year nothing of the maker of the light or design guy, where are they how long are we supposed to wait for something that maybe will not happen? Then it would be better imo come clean say sorry light is scrapped due to personal problems etc…. dont u agree ?

No. I don’t think anyone owes us a damn thing unless we have put money or design time down…Heck, if I was Fritz and got bored or sick of the project the entitlement mentality would have made me want to give the finger to the whole thing. It’s up to Lumintop now when and whether they are going to make the thing…..I don’t understand what Fritz even has to do with in anymore at this point.

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Just for perspective, some people have been on the list for this flashlight a year longer than you have been a member here.

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cabfrank wrote:
Just for perspective, some people have been on the list for this flashlight a year longer than you have been a member here.

Really? Does membership in the original BLF forum not count? 10 or so years ago? Besides what does that have to do with anything?

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Only people who know Fritz or/and have worked with him + those involved in the project (who have given of their time for the project) should comment about what Fritz should do or shouldn’t do.
The rest of us should shut their mouth about him because if we are pissed off by someone who walked out for 6 months without saying anything, he probably has a good reason even if it is not a good reason for us. Show some decency and empathy guys !!! and less selfish interest for a good that we are eager to add to our collection.
Not to mention the gratitude you could show for what has been done so far by Fritz and the rest of the TLF/BLF team instead of venting your frustration on Fritz.
Do you really need a scapegoat for venting your frustration ? Facepalm

All the more since tatasal gave a proof that the project isn’t completely dead.

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tundraotto wrote:
cabfrank wrote:
Just for perspective, some people have been on the list for this flashlight a year longer than you have been a member here.

Really? Does membership in the original BLF forum not count? 10 or so years ago? Besides what does that have to do with anything?


You’ll understand when you chill out and think about it.

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Tundraotto, it has to do with the fact that some people have been waiting a lot longer than you. While perhaps nothing is owed to them, a bit of frustration is understandable, given the silence.

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PBWilson wrote:
DB Custom wrote:
I have to admit, in and of itself, that light in dark charcoal matte grey looks very nice. Wink

I agree. Is this another prototype that has been released? Did I miss something?

I don’t like it at-all.

It could not be further from “engineering purity”, or what was first promised.

But if these photos are of something real, that might one-day actually get made, rather than just a play around with different anodisation dyes, that is of interest. So tatasal, spill the beans please, and explain what’s going on.

Oh, and quickly send a few out to the designers, development testers and respected reviewers first, before expecting the rest of us to stump up our $30, delivered. (Never going to hit that price IMO, nor should it be compromised in trying to do so).

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tundraotto wrote:
No. I don’t think anyone owes us a damn thing unless we have put money or design time down…Heck, if I was Fritz and got bored or sick of the project the entitlement mentality would have made me want to give the finger to the whole thing. It’s up to Lumintop now when and whether they are going to make the thing…..I don’t understand what Fritz even has to do with in anymore at this point.

Perhaps future projects need to come with the following disclaimer: “No refunds on emotional investments!” Wink
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Tally-ho wrote:
Only people who know Fritz or/and have worked with him + those involved in the project (who have given of their time for the project) should comment about what Fritz should do or shouldn’t do.
The rest of us should shut their mouth about him because if we are pissed off by someone who walked out for 6 months without saying anything, he probably has a good reason even if it is not a good reason for us. Show some decency and empathy guys !!!
Indeed, Fritz and whoever else is MIA or AWOL regarding this project should empathize with the 1000+ who are hoping and waiting for this project to take off.

Look, the point that nobody owes anything has already been made, and nobody disagrees with that.
But there’s reason for disappointment too, which you can read in the comments.

Always funny how people feel the need to complain about people who complain…
Wink

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Hi guys,

Rest assured those photos are the latest, and that the FW3A project is very much alive and well .

As to member Fritz, we have never pm’ed each other.

Meanwhile, chill and Beer

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Good to hear, thanks for the update.
Too early for a beer right now though.

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Tom Tom wrote:
I don’t like it at-all.

It could not be further from “engineering purity”, or what was first promised.


Usually I don’t agree with much you say, nothing personal and I’m sure you’re a good person IRL but we just seem to about always have differing opinions on most things however in this case I couldn’t agree more!

I’ve been in love with the clear or even no ano design goal since I heard about this project but I’d still be willing to accept a normal light gray, if what’s shown in that pic is what I receive I’ll be in my shop removing the ano before I even load a battery in the thing…

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I just searched and had no luck. Someone, I think TK, mentioned different optics that could easily be switched in and out, for more throw, different beam patterns, or whatnot. Does anyone know where I can find this info?

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tatasal wrote:
Hi guys,

Rest assured those photos are the latest, and that the FW3A project is very much alive and well .

As to member Fritz, we have never pm’ed each other.

Meanwhile, chill and Beer

BeerBeerBeerCool Thank you!!!

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List updated in post #4. 1272 people, 1792 lights… plus ~400 on TLF.

- TK

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BTW, for those that meet the criteria on its post#1, and didn’t “entered” yet, I’m running a GAW here for this light when it becomes available Wink

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cabfrank wrote:
I just searched and had no luck. Someone, I think TK, mentioned different optics that could easily be switched in and out, for more throw, different beam patterns, or whatnot. Does anyone know where I can find this info?

Found 3 posts, maybe it was one of these?

http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1420801#comment-1420801
http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1375372#comment-1375372
http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1364158#comment-1364158

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Thanks!

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agent80 wrote:
When will this be released?

… any week now.

… I hope.

Neal got what was supposed to be the final prototype, but he said something vague about having issues, and hasn’t really answered my questions about it. So if my guess is correct, he’s working out whatever-it-was with Lumintop.

Geuzzz wrote:
Sounds Nice! Pictures please.

Neal also sent some pictures, but they’re the same ones tatasal posted. I’ll put them up again in another comment.

Yourrid wrote:
How can we bypass them and get someone else to take over?

That already happened, basically. Fritz designed the light and doesn’t really have any more tasks to do. I think he has just been too busy to stay involved, so I’ve been filling in. Most of what is left depends on Neal, me, and whoever is willing to help at TLF. But at the moment, every pending task depends on Neal.

Jerommel wrote:
Always funny how people feel the need to complain about people who complain

Complaining about things which can be fixed is one thing. It’s arguably productive, especially when it comes in the form of a bug report with a patch. But complaining about things which can’t be fixed, or just tossing negativity into the ether, mostly just drags people down.

For example, it’s unhealthy to the community when someone spends more than a year posting an average of 2+ comments per day (and not much else) which all have more or less the same negative message:

Tom Tom wrote:
I don’t like it at-all.

Sir, I understand that it is your constitutional right to poop on the floor of a public forum every morning after coffee, but… could you not?

djozz wrote:
you’d be surprised how much effort it takes to write a simple message in a situation where people are so demanding as in this thread

Yeah… sometimes I have to wait until I can set aside an entire afternoon. Far too often, BLF is like a job that I don’t get paid for. In the past, I’ve intentionally avoided running any projects like this, but when everyone else disappeared I kinda got stuck with it.

SKY69 wrote:
I think most if not all BLF members will appreciate communication…

Well, yes. You’re completely correct. But communication has been the primary ongoing issue for this project. I would have set things up differently if it had been my project, but it’s way too late to restart the whole thing with more-communicative team members. So it’s going to continue to be difficult until the light is finally shipped. Maybe even after that too, depending on how much Neal invests into customer support services.

I understand that it’s frustrating, and it’s more frustrating for me than for most, but it’s not something which can be fixed so we all just have to deal with it until it’s over. And, unfortunately, complaining about unfixable issues only makes things worse. It makes life more unpleasant for everyone involved while adding nothing useful or insightful. Of course, that will happen anyway, but I really appreciate the people who refrain from doing so or who try to make things easier while we wait.

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Maybe he doesn’t care anymore, since the latest prototypes look quite different from his initial concept.

fritz15 wrote:
To put an end to the tapered body discussion Wink

The reasoning behind it is indeed to make it easier to use the clip. … Additionally, I can confirm it is still my design. That’s the reason why the the chamfers have a different angle rather than the same Big Smile I like the design like it is now but I am sorry that those design changes ruined the light for some people!

Thanks for clearing that up. It gets a little old fighting pessimistic speculation, unfounded claims, FUD, inflammatory posts, and other disinformation. So it’s really nice to have help. Smile

JasonWW wrote:
There is no mystery. All the info is from this thread. We just need to read it.

I understand that not everyone has the time to read the thread, so I try to answer these repetitive type questions when I have time.

As above, thank you. Smile

lumiere wrote:
Perhaps future projects need to come with the following disclaimer: “No refunds on emotional investments!” Wink

I may have to put that in the first post. Smile

cabfrank wrote:
I just searched and had no luck. Someone, I think TK, mentioned different optics that could easily be switched in and out, for more throw, different beam patterns, or whatnot. Does anyone know where I can find this info?

Any standard Carclo triple optic of the right size should work, such as the ones sold at MtnElectronics. This includes 10507, 10511, 10508, 10509, and 10510. The 10507 optic makes the most throw, but also makes virtually every emitter look ugly. So the default is 10511 because it provides the most throw available without causing strong beam artifacts. It can also be polished to increase throw, while still producing a nicer-looking beam than 10507.

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So, Neal sent me pictures of proto4. It was meant to be the final prototype, but he said something vague about it not working right and is presumably trying to work that out with Lumintop. I’ll probably also send another firmware update, in case there’s still time to use it… but I don’t know if it’s too late or not.

Here are the pictures Neal sent:





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