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The LD25 could use better mode spacing though.. Low is very low and medium is a little high..

You can customize the modes yourself.
http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1377792#comment-1377792


O wow!
Thanks!
I thought it only worked on the older version. Thumbs Up

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Geuzzz wrote:
Great to see you here listening to the community Simon!

I was afraid you were getting behind on the newer flashlight developments, but I see you won’t let that happen.

Yes, I am already behind, I want to catch up.

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Simon, here’s a Carclo quad optic cut sheet I found. You can also buy them from Intl-outdoor.com as they are shipped from China. https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/454/10622_iss1_140509-1276368.pdf

This drawing is helpful.
I prefer to find a optic manufacturer first.

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Will be throwier TIRs considered for newer Convoy flashlights?

There are a few very nice LEDiL TIR optics with bigger head diameter.

I think reflector is better than TIR if you want the flashlight to be throwier one.

If someone want to have minimal or much less spill compared to a reflector flashlight, TIRs could be a good option. I think, it cannot replace a Convoy L2, but could be very useful – it is just a different beam shape.

I tried an S2+ with 10 degree beaded TIR lens with XP-L HI and Luminus SST-20 high CRI emitters, and it is very spectacular. XP-L HI (and probably other domeless emitters as well) was even better with narrower TIR lens. An S2+ with 5 degree clear TIR lens is even more spectacular in this regard.

Could you please have a look at LEDiL TIRs (I don’t know your possibilities about how to find a good retailer for their optics, but it might worth a try)? Smile

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The Gaggione LLC49U is the narrowest throwiest optic I have found in the size range. If you can put this in a flashlight, you will have a very unique hand held spotlight. I like how optics can concentrate all the lumens into the hotspot instead of “wasting” half of the lumens as spill. Putting a Oslon CLSNM1.TG will achieve 175kcd or more with a larger more usable hotspot in a Emisar D1S size light.

Since I already have enough floody/spill lights now, intensed focused hotspot is what interest me.

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Honestly, are such TIR lenses as good as you seem to believe? I bought some narrow beam (5°) inexpensive TIRs for S2+ flashlights, but didn't liked too much the end result. Compared to a wider angle set bought from FastTech their ceiling bounce lux figures were noticeably !!! lower.

Aspherics all the way! Big Smile  

 

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I want to ask if the 15% BLF discount is also available for the Black C8+ Host?

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I want to ask if the 15% BLF discount is also available for the Black C8+ Host?

Pretty sure it applies to all items in the store except for the basic shipping cost when you ask for replacement parts like lenses, switches and such.

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for furture designs the 21700 cells seem to be good to get a slim light compared to 26650 lights
USB-C charge port with 1-2A charge current

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adam7027 wrote:
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Will be throwier TIRs considered for newer Convoy flashlights?

There are a few very nice LEDiL TIR optics with bigger head diameter.

I think reflector is better than TIR if you want the flashlight to be throwier one.

If someone want to have minimal or much less spill compared to a reflector flashlight, TIRs could be a good option. I think, it cannot replace a Convoy L2, but could be very useful – it is just a different beam shape.

I tried an S2+ with 10 degree beaded TIR lens with XP-L HI and Luminus SST-20 high CRI emitters, and it is very spectacular. XP-L HI (and probably other domeless emitters as well) was even better with narrower TIR lens. An S2+ with 5 degree clear TIR lens is even more spectacular in this regard.

Could you please have a look at LEDiL TIRs (I don’t know your possibilities about how to find a good retailer for their optics, but it might worth a try)? Smile

Wow,this link is very helpful ,thanks so much ,

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TheOnlyDocc wrote:
I want to ask if the 15% BLF discount is also available for the Black C8+ Host?

yes,friend

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The Gaggione LLC49U is the narrowest throwiest optic I have found in the size range. If you can put this in a flashlight, you will have a very unique hand held spotlight. I like how optics can concentrate all the lumens into the hotspot instead of “wasting” half of the lumens as spill. Putting a Oslon CLSNM1.TG will achieve 175kcd or more with a larger more usable hotspot in a Emisar D1S size light.

Since I already have enough floody/spill lights now, intensed focused hotspot is what interest me.

i’m so interested in the combination of Gaggione LLC49U and Oslon CLSNM1.TG,
is it possible to send some photos or link to show the performance?

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Im also curious to see what a narrow optic with a white flat will do.
21700 s2+ with quad white flat… where do i sign up Thumbs Up

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At SKV89
Do you know if it is possible to fit the Gaggione LLC49U inside a C8+?
At Simon Mao
Will it be possible to buy the M1 SMO reflector in your store. I ordered another M1 Host a few days back at BG. But it would be nice to be able to buy the SMO reflector for it.

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At SKV89 Do you know if it is possible to fit the Gaggione LLC49U inside a C8+? At Simon Mao Will it be possible to buy the M1 SMO reflector in your store. I ordered another M1 Host a few days back at BG. But it would be nice to be able to buy the SMO reflector for it.

I highly doubt it because optics are usually shorter than reflectors. Also the optic must not be resting flat on the mcpcb and not on the positive/negative leads in order to focus the emitter so the mcpcb might not even be suitable. I think it will be hard to just use these optics in an existing flashlight unless you are really skilled and can machine or 3D print your own parts. I think in order to use these successfully, a manufacturer will need to design the flashlight around these optics.

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I downloaded the 3D files for the LLC49U. The outer diameter is the first problem. It is a little bit to big. And you would have to grind it to far down to fit. So this would be the first problem.
To raise the MCPCB /LED would not be a problem. But i do not know if a usual MCPCB would fit. Have not checked yet if they offer a special design for this.

For sure a interesting project. But not something for the C8+. Will look further into the optic and what they recommend regarding the MCPCB.

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At SKV89 Do you know if it is possible to fit the Gaggione LLC49U inside a C8+? At Simon Mao Will it be possible to buy the M1 SMO reflector in your store. I ordered another M1 Host a few days back at BG. But it would be nice to be able to buy the SMO reflector for it.

i add a link here

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Thanks for making the M1/M2 SMO reflector available!
Already ordered one.

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About new SST-20 option mentioned in OP – what are the exact tint and bin?

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About new SST-20 option mentioned in OP – what are the exact tint and bin?

BIN: SST-20-W40H-A120-J4402Rev.01 J5-FB4-VH

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Barkuti wrote:

Honestly, are such TIR lenses as good as you seem to believe? I bought some narrow beam (5°) inexpensive TIRs for S2+ flashlights, but didn’t liked too much the end result. Compared to a wider angle set bought from FastTech their ceiling bounce lux figures were noticeably !!! lower.


Aspherics all the way! Big Smile  


 



I did the same with the same results. But there’s a difference between a cheap Ali lens and a Gaggione one.
One could ask Gaggione to provide cd/lm on this lens/LED combo. They once run a simulation for me, they would likely do the same to a prospect buyer.
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Simon Mao wrote:
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The Gaggione LLC49U is the narrowest throwiest optic I have found in the size range. If you can put this in a flashlight, you will have a very unique hand held spotlight. I like how optics can concentrate all the lumens into the hotspot instead of “wasting” half of the lumens as spill. Putting a Oslon CLSNM1.TG will achieve 175kcd or more with a larger more usable hotspot in a Emisar D1S size light.

Since I already have enough floody/spill lights now, intensed focused hotspot is what interest me.

i’m so interested in the combination of Gaggione LLC49U and Oslon CLSNM1.TG,
is it possible to send some photos or link to show the performance?


The CLSNM1.TG may work very well with Led Lenser imitation type TIR optics.
They have a relatively large aspheric in the centre so it can focus the light into a narrow beam, unlike most other TIR optics.
You find these optics in cheap 3xAAA lights too, sometimes.
But maybe the diameter is too large for an S2+
But then again, i’ve seen smaller diameter versions too.

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Agro wrote:
Barkuti wrote:

Honestly, are such TIR lenses as good as you seem to believe? I bought some narrow beam (5°) inexpensive TIRs for S2+ flashlights, but didn’t liked too much the end result. Compared to a wider angle set bought from FastTech their ceiling bounce lux figures were noticeably !!! lower.


Aspherics all the way! Big Smile  


 



I did the same with the same results. But there’s a difference between a cheap Ali lens and a Gaggione one.
One could ask Gaggione to provide cd/lm on this lens/LED combo. They once run a simulation for me, they would likely do the same to a prospect buyer.

With typical 20mm TIR optics, the 5° ones often have no aspheric lens in the centre. They’re just flat in the centre.
Then they act like a normal reflector: beam from the cup and spill from the centre.

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The new S2+ with the SST20 should be great, I'm going to recommend the shit out of this light on Polish EDC, Flashlight and urbex forums and fb groups, it's a really a nice addition to your assortment Thumbs Up Beer .

 

To my guessing replacing the ugly yellowish XPL HI U6-4C 4200-4500K with the XPL-HI V2 5D which is slightly rosy and objectively produces nicer light would result in higher sale rates since people will recommend it merely because they'll like the tint of it. Now I often hear as argument against NW 4000K that it is ugly yellowish thus Olight is better.

 

The 3000K and 5000K XPL-HI tints you offer are under the BBL so why not the 4000K as well?

 

I'm still convinced the S2+ should come with the OP reflector by default since it's primarily a multifunction/edc light and not a pocket thrower.

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+1 on the XPL-HI V2 5D. I think it's the best LED tint out there, period. Milky white in every area, from the hotpsot, corona, and spill. There's old XM-L2's in 5D1 or 5D2 Hank used to sell, a rare batch, but these XPL-HI's are very close if not better.

Next may be the Samsung 351D 4000K 90+CRI, but may depend on sourcing/batch, etc.

I cannot understand objections to these two LED's tint, but certainly what optics they are installed in is a factor.

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SKV89 wrote:
The Gaggione LLC49U is the narrowest throwiest optic I have found in the size range. If you can put this in a flashlight, you will have a very unique hand held spotlight. I like how optics can concentrate all the lumens into the hotspot instead of “wasting” half of the lumens as spill. Putting a Oslon CLSNM1.TG will achieve 175kcd or more with a larger more usable hotspot in a Emisar D1S size light.

Where can you buy them in small quantities (1 or 2 units)?

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The 3000K and 5000K tints you offer are under the BBL so why not the 4000K as well?

Probably because they’re hard to find/get a hold of. Everyone seems to be carrying the FB4 tint bin. The closest we’ve had to below BBL SST20 so far is the FA3 tint bin in Fireflies’ lights, but those still seem to average out to just above BBL. FB4 isn’t bad – could use a minus green filter but is by no means terrible without one.

Still, hopefully someone can secure FA1 or FA4 tint bin in the near future.

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SKV89 wrote:
The Gaggione LLC49U is the narrowest throwiest optic I have found in the size range. If you can put this in a flashlight, you will have a very unique hand held spotlight. I like how optics can concentrate all the lumens into the hotspot instead of “wasting” half of the lumens as spill. Putting a Oslon CLSNM1.TG will achieve 175kcd or more with a larger more usable hotspot in a Emisar D1S size light.
Where can you buy them in small quantities (1 or 2 units)?

Dont’ know. But I doubt it’s worth it because unless you are a flashlight manufacturer that can design a host around it, I doubt you can make use of it.

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+1 on the XPL-HI V2 5D. I think it’s the best LED tint out there, period. Milky white in every area, from the hotpsot, corona, and spill. There’s old XM-L2’s in 5D1 or 5D2 Hank used to sell, a rare batch, but these XPL-HI’s are very close if not better.


Next may be the Samsung 351D 4000K 90+CRI, but may depend on sourcing/batch, etc.


I cannot understand objections to these two LED’s tint, but certainly what optics they are installed in is a factor.

I will actively look for these Bins

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Simon, hope you did not order a large batch of the SST-20 FB4 tint bin. Once you get some Cree 5D tint emitters and compare it with the SST-20 FB4 tint bin, you will understand why the FB4 is not very good looking.

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