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Now that we’re talking about it…other lights from Lumintop (Prince and Prince mini) have the brand logo on the tailcap metal button…
Still, I hope they don’t want to include that on the FW3A…

I’ll give ya the moon TK, what’dya say?

Hold on, let me dim that for ya… :wink: (it’s a ramp. :D)

I think she’ll like that better.

I shoulda took pics of that eclipse all the way through and back to normal but I was FREEZING! And that was the night I decided to turn my Meteor on in my jacket pocket to warm my hand… burned the lining in the pocket. lol

That’s one way to stay warm.

Sorry that’s not an option. If it is to be sold in the EU, being an electronic device, and other such markets that also apply the same standards, it must at least carry a genuine CE mark somewhere. The rest of the junk, I agree. As well as the genuine and traceable paperwork and access to a technical data file to justify it, covering all aspects.

At least we haven’t had all that discussion about a logo, that seems to be an essential of BLF specials. So, no logo, no Lumintop bunny, no serial number ?

The CE mark has to be at least 5mm high. If that is not technically possible (I doubt it in this case), then there is an exemption to just do it on the paperwork.

Start here: CE marking - GOV.UK

There is no such thing as an RoHS logo, that’s just a made-up thing and not required. To be CE it also has to be RoHS, it is implicit. As for the “warning, may get hot” stuff, study ASTM C1055 and other such standards.

This is also part of CE product safety, and applying the warning may be required as a way around the general standards. Which I am sure this thing can easily violate.

And, as I have said on another thread, I see that some EU and other countries are taking a hard look at fraudulent paperwork, marking, design, even scanning for banned alloys at their borders. As well as questioning dubious customs declarations that under-state the actual price paid, to avoid legitimate import duties (or tariffs).

Actually, for battery powered torches, into the UK, duty should be paid at 5.7% on price+shipping+insurance, then there is 20% VAT due on top of that.

Once it’s in the UK it can be freely moved anywhere in the EU, Norway, Switzerland etc. Which is probably why Banggood have their “EU” warehouse in the UK, I guess we have the most favourable combination of overall costs. For the time being.

“Import
The commodity code for importing is 8513100000.
Goods are subject to VAT standard rate.
Importing from outside the EU is subject to a third country duty of 5.70 % unless subject to other measures.
Import measures and restrictions for specific countries can be found under the import tab.”

AFAIK China is not on the list of countries who have negotiated a trade agreement for 0% import duty.

For a personal import, as long as the total cost is under £15, all this is waived. But seriously, how much of the stuff we buy does that really apply to? Certainly not this one.

Best that the distributor gets their ducks in a row before this is released. I gather that there have recently been a number of problems with Fireflies distribution, and there may be a common factor with this one.

The world has moved on quite a bit recently, and you can no longer expect to just churn out any-old stuff to consumers and ship it from far-far-away, under the radar, or with ludicrously understated value, nevermind “as a gift”.

It has to be basically correct, and documented, and go through recognised channels, whether it be a business or a personal import. Not meaning just in a jiffy-bag from state-subsidised China Post (with “free delivery” playing the international reciprocal postage system and state subsidy game, though that too will soon be ending also).

It is all being tightened up.

Maybe after a proto4 arrives? (if one arrives)

It better. I try not to be negative in these group buy threads, but it is ridiculous that you are not in the main loop, and among the first to know, about any and all developments. I know you don’t like it either, and I hope it changes immediately.

Yes, please no logo. If one has to be on it then I think the tailcap is the best location.

I’d love to be able to utilize them other than just as a locator when off. I’d love to be able to ramp the aux LED’s and use them with the blink modes. Maybe even some new ones. I think most of the UI is covered pretty well in terms of white light.

Agree!

Yes, please no logo’s. If it is sold from China you don’t neet the CE logo anyway.
It’s the responsibility of the European importer/distributer of the product, wich probably won’t be the way of selling. Don’t think this will end up in shops, just straight from China to the end user.

Are you planning to start manufacturing? no logo is much more beautiful

yes i dont get it either, its not like this light is gonna be sold in retailer shops etc… most will buy from banggood or where they will be sold after group buy… logo i dont really want at all on this light…

FW3A Status report:

As of this posting, only the host is ready, the driver and optics are unfinished. :beer:

:+1: … Yes & amen, +1.

No, you have got that wrong.

No CE marking (and genuine documentation) is just asking for it to be sent back at the EU Border, if inspected.

Already happening. And a database of repeat offenders no-doubt being built, and shared, the easier to catch the next dodgy parcel.

By the way, there is no difference between business and personal importation. The rules apply to you, personally. Or as a businessperson. That’s why you will be charged duty, tax, and handling fee if found-out.

Some EU countries are very tight on this and clearly have plenty of officials looking into things. in the UK you can usually expect to get away with it.

Just as I said, it’s the responsibility of the importer and I am happy to take that (very minor) risk.

Never heard of someone not receiving their emisar because there were no labels on it.

None of the thousands of Emisar lights were sent back, and still aren’t.

Perhaps they have got their ducks in a row, the paperwork in order, using a reputable freight-forwarder, etc. etc. Like any reputable company. Good on them.

But you seem very confident that no Emisars have been sent back from the EU. How do you know that ?

Nevertheless I wasn’t pointing fingers at Emisar. I suspect that they behave with integrity.

But, speaking frankly, at Neal, and his blatant drop-shipping from dodgy outfits, where there seems to be a recurring pattern of problems, delays, lack of tracking, return to sender, weird shipping methods, interest list confusions, all the Fireflies stuff that is creating concern, (don’t know about his other deals, never used them, never will) and potentially this one, unless he ups his game and turns into a serious business person, rather than a chancer.

If Neal was operating a real business, holding owned stock, bought and paid for, in a warehouse ready to ship, maybe in the customer’s territory, commissioning new products, having delivery, quality control, warranty provision, and customer service systems, that would be a different matter.

As he did manage before Banggood let him go.

But I suspect that he might even still be operating as a middle-man from his spare bedroom. No disgrace in that, but things ought to be better and smoother and faster to Western customers. The world is changing rapidly and amateurism just isn’t good enough. He’s had a few years to develop since then and impress us with his acumen. Still waiting.

Frankly, if he is in the loop, I don’t want it. There, I’ve said it, so sue me or rude me. Just know who and what you are dealing with.

If this can be delivered by e.g. Banggood or even Gearbest, or similar, who play to the rules, I’m in. If it has to be a “Del Boy Deals” or similar I’m out.