On top of this even good companies have issues. First, troubleshoot it properly with FireFlies, not the court of public opinion. If they do not come to a satisfactory resolution, continue your bitching.
I have a Spyderco knife that I just got like 3 months ago that rattles, it’s one of their newest knives and they have a good track record. I’m going to let them warranty it. If they don’t resolve it you better believe I wont be buying another, but i’m pretty confident they will make it right so I will withhold judgment until then.
Yes they did. Ordered on December 27th, got shipping notification with tracking info on January 7th and it arrived today. So shipping to Germany was actually really fast.
Whoa there fella. You certainly are a bit excitable. I think you just voiced all your issues in public. Perhaps, you do this with whom you purchased the light from, firstly. Secondly, it is possible you got a bad light (or) a bad battery. I dont know that i had singled you out. I have been following these fireflies threads for a few months now. It has been my observation that it is often “user operating error.” Because wrong batteries were purchased or whatever. This is not black and white one or the other scenario, there very well could be milling errors and assembly problems. But i tend to think everyone wants it the way they want it and that doesnt always mesh well with reality. Someone earlier wanted to fit a rofis protected cell in the light, for example. This is a battery thats about 7 inches long.
Beyond that, things do happen. It is possible that the light you received is garbage and such. Maybe you got the bottom of the bin. Maybe it was a shift change on the milling machine. Who knows.
It is, however, equally possible that the battery is not a representative sample for whatever reason—and you got unlucky. Talk to the person you purchased from. See if they will make it right.
If you purchase something in a store and its not right you bring it back and get another one or your money back. You dont call up your local news station and scream at the top of your lungs, “i just bought a bluray player and it didnt work. The cord didnt fit right, the screen was fuzzy…etc. etc…grrr…grrrr…”
No. You just go back to where you bought it and swap it or get $ back. Not this whole dramatic woe is me tirade. You just get another one.
This sort of behvior seems rampant here. And maybe its tolerated for a reason. But i dont know what that reason is. I am kind of new to blf. So i have yet to grow accustom to this infantile and obnoxious behavior. Kind of like the behavior of little children. When i was speaking to the fella above i was warning against trusting in folks that are, shall we say, excitable. Because we only hear from them. They are upset and angry and frustrated and feel cheated and dissappointed etc. These sorts of emotions tend to bring out the loudest and most intense, and frankly uncivil behavior in folks.
I was simply trying to provide a different perspective—something other than the few who are angry talking most and loudest—skews the sample a bit. i am sorry if i ruffled up your undershorts. I think you said your light performed well. Which suggests that your problems are also subjective. And you are now in the camp of folks speaking loudest and angriest. But i think your group is small.
I could be wrong about everything, but not usually.
About people’s UI questions, the manual might answer a few things. It’s written for Anduril in general though, not for any specific model of light. So some details will probably differ on a per-model basis.
I’m on Johnny’s team… agree with going the simpler route first, allowing the mfr to correct the possible issue.
I also have so many lights, so much experience with so many more, I don’t typically expect much one way or another at entry level prices… especially not from a new company. These days a meal for two can easily exceed the price of these lights. That said, $50 or so is virtually expendable. If you don’t think so, perhaps you shouldn’t be purchasing lights from China in the budget arena. Really that simple. Reasonable expectations, and a calm attitude prevails.
I have found that I don’t usually like the high priced top name brand lights as they come out of the box, not any more than any budget light, so if I’m going to have to mod them to make them perform to my liking why spend so much? Not to say I haven’t modified expensive lights, I have, but over the past several years I have not once filed a claim or returned a light. Not once. And I’ve had well over 300 lights of my own. I simply fix it and move on if there’s a problem. Pretty much expect there to be something to fix, almost disappointed if there isn’t…
Got my e07 in today and the light was smaller than expected even after seeing all the pictures. And was impressed with the light even after hearing all the positive reviews. This is my top and favorite smaller size light out of my fairly large collection. The only con I have is the heat sinks are kinda rough…almost a bit sharp even.
So I looked over my instruction and even the pdf manual but I can’t seem to figure out how to change my UI to the smooth ramp.
It’s set to the step ramp currently. I would like to make it to have the lowest floor possible and have the highest ramp the same as turbo.
Can somebody help me please.
I don’t think that example is valid. If you buy a blueray player and it does not work, you know something happened and solve it through the warranty. If you find out that a car has bad passanger safety and even in a slow speed accident, it will crush your legs, you take it to the news station to warn people. One emitter does not work is a situation for warranty. Mnf. probably does not know about it. Big portion of flashlights have worn out screws and misplaced one resulting in the leg broken of, speaks about mnf process quality issues. Everyone in every review speaks about host quality, too sharp fins, not matching anodizing or strait bad finish. Why it won’t be allowed here? And for the battery fitting, that’s even more important and I don’t think that mnf does not know about these issues now.
This thread and the last couple pages have given me some good stuff to mull over. I am seeing some perspectives and others I’m not.
$50 isn’t cheap. For a top-performing light, maybe so, but I don’t throw around that kind of money without thinking for a moment. That’s me. Having a similar performing light available in the same ballpark, price-wise, it makes my decision clearer. I would guess that Fireflies might want to take the feedback and make some changes to make their light come out on top.
When I used the word “trend” I wasn’t just referring to this light. Fireflies had some (probably more) issues with their other two lights and even if the lights that are getting complaints aren’t statistically large, it’s still pretty clear to me that with a little extra care, testing and communication within their company, they could improve. This light came out pretty darn quickly compared to others in the past couple years. Maybe a little extra time would have avoided some of the things that bug folks on this forum.
For me, I guess that I’m willing to wait for some real-world experiences with the lights I’m interested in. I’ve been burned on a group buy before and I have benefited by waiting until a new run has corrected some early bugs. I’m just willing to wait on this one. I’d bet that most would agree that this light could be a monster of power and value. Addressing the things that have come up in these threads would benefit Fireflies for sure. For now I’m content to wait.
Fair enough. But if i were fireflies, once i got my production issues worked out, and did more elaborate and thoughtful design process with testing and r&d, and added employees to manage customer service, etc. Etc. i would double my prices—because if the production issues are worked out they’d be producing a top shelf product—in a different league altogether—function/output-wise. I think people are missing the value, here. And they are being tested and critiqued in the crucible that is blf. Seems gutsy, to me.
Not only are folks missing the value here but are not really aware of what is involved with being a small shop and managing all the pieces by a single individual or just a few employees.
All things considered, 2 short years ago i bought a thrunite tn36ut cw, for about 236.00$. It outputs ~6-7000lumen. And is a huge 4 cell light. I can reach similar output for 80$, in a single cell pocketable light, in the e07.
There is no reason to think that once they get production, material sourcing and labor dialed in that the prices wont go up. It is how things work.
[Edit]: A comparable light in the zebralight 21700, w/ 70.2emitter ~3000lumen. $120 plus shipping. Zebralight has not been immune to customer complaints. I remember when i got my sc600fd IIIplus, there was a huge number of people returning the light because of various issues. Havent followed the zl700, so cant speak to that.
There’s a saying, “cheap, fast, good. You can pick 2. Cheap+fast not gonna be good. Good+fast not gonna be cheap. Cheap+good not gonna be fast.”
I’m not sure if FF quality control is that defendable for the price. I like their lights and all, but sincerely believe their QC could be upped a few notches. Just seems a bit sloppily built. Attention to detail should be more of a workmanship pride consideration than a pricing consideration.
What I’m saying is they are all being built piece by piece. The pieces just need to be put together with a little more pride and care.
For example, two people are working at the FF shop and one is putting some pride and attention to detail in the way he assembled the product and works just as efficiently as the one who isn’t. Is there going to be a price increase because one is taking pride in his work while the other who is working beside him isn’t?
The person who isn’t is becoming an expense and a liability. FF is sending out extraordinary amounts of replacement lights and numerous hours of time expended on dealing with problems.
All this wasted profit and energy, all due to somebody’s lack of putting some pride in thier work. I feel very badly for FF as this lacking must be killing thier profitability.
Ultimately thier lack of QC is making thier company suffer.
FF is putting out a superior product. They just need to have these products assembled in a more superior way.
Johnny makes a lot of good points. Guys please don’t use Paypal until you have really exhausted all options. We are very fortunate to have someone make lights that fulfill the wishes of our small BLF niche. These feature combinations incorporated into a flashlight prior to Fireflies were a BLF dream and Fireflies helped us turn our dream into reality. These features include the much coveted Lexel designed driver, BLF designed NarsilM/Anduril firmware, abundant LED options including the discontinued legendary 219B sw45k 9080, good option of beautiful aux LEDs, AR coated lens, awesome heat dissipating design on E07, clear anodized option, multi-emitters in compact form factor, and some of the brightest production flashlights for their size category. The E07 is measured to be twice as bright as the previous brightest single cell flashlight, D4S, which to me is quite an astounding feat. I don’t consider the TM10K because the lumens were not verified by calibrated equipment, much larger form factor, and turbo only last 7s.
Sure that the build quality is not as good as the Emisar/Noctigon lights and there definitely are bugs and imperfections, but what do you expect from a brand new small (1-man?) shop making lights for a very small enthusiast niche? Even large billion dollar companies like Microsoft and Apple with tens of thousands of engineers have countless bugs with every new version and updates as can be seen all over the news and forums. FF only sold a few hundred of each light at a very bargain price so there’s not a whole lot of money to be made especially if you include the R&D/production cost. Let’s try not to bash them and utilize Paypal to get a free light as that will only discourage them and BLF will lose a valued flashlight maker. I do say it is bargain price because if you go on CPF you will see lights selling for 5x to 10x the price cannot match FF features.
Btw, I have 2 PL47 and 5 E07 and tested it with so many different 21700 cells with zero problems. Only the Acebeam protected 21700 doesn’t fit but no other 21700 lights can accommodate that cell besides Acebeam lights. I am also extremely happy with these lights for the price despite there are room for further improvement.
73.93mm if i have it nice and flush. Several readings just above 74 too but I think it was crooked.
Battery is around 70.5mm
Driver side spring bypass is a pretty decent size blob but it’s only attached to the top of the spring and the spring will still flex a bit allowing the wire to compress into the driver. From ~4mm to 2mm
Well said SKV89 My two E07's have not arrived yet, but whatever I get I'm going to cut ff some slack as they created something pretty special here. Obviously there are many E07's that are working just fine and in time they will figure it all out. I have two rot66's, one with anduril and the other with narsilM and both are perfect after members here helped me figure out how to adjust the battery cage on one of them.
My two E07's have not arrived yet, but whatever I get I'm going to cut ff some slack as they created something pretty special here. Obviously there are many E07's that are working just fine and in time they will figure it all out. I have two rot66's, one with anduril and the other with narsilM and both are perfect after members here helped me figure out how to adjust the battery cage on one of them.