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I’m also not a fan of the fluted style Zanflare uses, but the grooves you’re suggesting look good.

I like XHP35 lights, but I much prefer XHP35 HI. These are also available in high CRI bins. Which light are you thinking of using these emitters in?

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Simon Mao wrote:
I think I misrepresented what I meant.
First of all, I will not reduce the quality of the product. The current knurling is difficult to process, and one third of the products will be scrapped directly.
I don’t meant to make a smooth surface.
I just want to change a style, on the one hand, it will improve the product yield, on the other hand, keep the original feel of grip.
For example, I can change it to the following


If your having to scrap one third of the products because of the knurling you should definitely remove it!! Thumbs Up

Make it smooth if you want or add grip if you want. I find it hard to believe anyone needs knurling or any type ‘grip’ to hold a light this size securly anyway. Facepalm . Does anyone need knurling or grip on a fork when they are feeding themselves?? I think not……. Big Smile

As far as the ‘copper pill’…. as has been stated before it is not necessary or needed at the 3A max current this light is sold with. So why do it? It only adds unnecessary cost with no real benefit.

If someone wants to ‘hotrod’ the light, let them buy their own copper pills if they want them. Hoop, on this forum; sells them….. I bought some.

Or, if you want to sell a host with a copper pill option; be sure to charge the premium price for that ‘copper pill’ option. Thumbs Up

I love your lights Simon, keep up the good work!! . Smile

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ZozzV6 wrote:
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How about this kind of knurling?
Can it be done easy?

I really like this look.

In my opinion, I don’t like this style.
Thank you! Facepalm Big Smile
It looks pretty good…. but personally, I hate it in practical day to day use.

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teacher wrote:
Simon Mao wrote:
I think I misrepresented what I meant.
First of all, I will not reduce the quality of the product. The current knurling is difficult to process, and one third of the products will be scrapped directly.
I don’t meant to make a smooth surface.
I just want to change a style, on the one hand, it will improve the product yield, on the other hand, keep the original feel of grip.
For example, I can change it to the following


If your having to scrap one third of the products because of the knurling you should definitely remove it!! Thumbs Up

Make it smooth if you want or add grip if you want. I find it hard to believe anyone needs knurling or any type ‘grip’ to hold a light this size securly anyway. Facepalm . Does anyone need knurling or grip on a fork when they are feeding themselves?? I think not……. Big Smile

As far as the ‘copper pill’…. as has been stated before it is not necessary or needed at the 3A max current this light is sold with. So why do it? It only adds unnecessary cost with no real benefit.

If someone wants to ‘hotrod’ the light, let them buy their own copper pills if they want them. Hoop, on this forum; sells them….. I bought some.

Or, if you want to sell a host with a copper pill option; be sure to charge the premium price for that ‘copper pill’ option. Thumbs Up

I love your lights Simon, keep up the good work!! . Smile

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I couldn’t agree more teacher !

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Simon, if I order 3x the S2+ to Europe, do I have to pay shipping 3x or can they be sent in the same parcel? And I just have to write you for the 15% after buying, before paying, right?

Cheers and thanks!

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teacher wrote:
Simon Mao wrote:
I think I misrepresented what I meant.
First of all, I will not reduce the quality of the product. The current knurling is difficult to process, and one third of the products will be scrapped directly.
I don’t meant to make a smooth surface.
I just want to change a style, on the one hand, it will improve the product yield, on the other hand, keep the original feel of grip.
For example, I can change it to the following


If your having to scrap one third of the products because of the knurling you should definitely remove it!! Thumbs Up

Make it smooth if you want or add grip if you want. I find it hard to believe anyone needs knurling or any type ‘grip’ to hold a light this size securly anyway. Facepalm . Does anyone need knurling or grip on a fork when they are feeding themselves?? I think not……. Big Smile

As far as the ‘copper pill’…. as has been stated before it is not necessary or needed at the 3A max current this light is sold with. So why do it? It only adds unnecessary cost with no real benefit.

If someone wants to ‘hotrod’ the light, let them buy their own copper pills if they want them. Hoop, on this forum; sells them….. I bought some.

Or, if you want to sell a host with a copper pill option; be sure to charge the premium price for that ‘copper pill’ option. Thumbs Up

I love your lights Simon, keep up the good work!! . Smile

Thanks for your comments Big Smile

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kanton wrote:
Simon, if I order 3x the S2+ to Europe, do I have to pay shipping 3x or can they be sent in the same parcel? And I just have to write you for the 15% after buying, before paying, right?

Cheers and thanks!

i charge only 1x shipping cost
submit your order,then close the payment page ,i will adjust the amount

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I find it hard to believe anyone needs knurling or any type ‘grip’ to hold a light this size securly anyway.

Of course, someone with average dexterity, bare hands, and comfortable conditions shouldn’t have any trouble. Try it in wet, freezing weather, wearing gloves that aren’t keeping your fingers warm enough for good motor control or sensation. My Astrolux S43, to give an example doesn’t have enough grip. If it had chalky anodizing like Armytek uses, it would be OK, but it’s smooth.

I like the look of Simon’s proposed design though. I think it would provide good grip in difficult conditions, and it’s visually different from most other flashlights.

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That’s the question, are we talking about an EDC light for, well, most people, or are we talking about a high-grip light like for a wildcatter?

My L2s bug me with their chalky finish, but I know how “grippy” they are. If I were, as you mention, using the light in a cold wet slippery environment while wearing gloves, then it’s perfect. But for just chasing raccoons away from the catfood bowls, it’s unnecessary.

Now, if you’re Armytek and are catering to quasi-military usage, sure, give it hand-bitingly aggressive knurling, or a chalky HA3 finish, etc. But for most of us who’ve been slinging S2+es forever? Kinda overkill, no? LOL

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Yokiamy wrote:
teacher wrote:

If your having to scrap one third of the products because of the knurling you should definitely remove it!! Thumbs Up

Make it smooth if you want or add grip if you want. I find it hard to believe anyone needs knurling or any type ‘grip’ to hold a light this size securly anyway. Facepalm . Does anyone need knurling or grip on a fork when they are feeding themselves?? I think not……. Big Smile

As far as the ‘copper pill’…. as has been stated before it is not necessary or needed at the 3A max current this light is sold with. So why do it? It only adds unnecessary cost with no real benefit.

If someone wants to ‘hotrod’ the light, let them buy their own copper pills if they want them. Hoop, on this forum; sells them….. I bought some.

Or, if you want to sell a host with a copper pill option; be sure to charge the premium price for that ‘copper pill’ option. Thumbs Up

I love your lights Simon, keep up the good work!! . Smile

+1

I couldn’t agree more teacher !

Thumbs Up .. I had overlooked YOUR POST on the page before this Yokiamy… It appears we are thinking alike. Wink . +1 to what you said too.
PS….. Your signature line threw me off for a minute….. until I realized it ‘was’ your signature line. . Big Smile . Beer

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The new grip pattern Simon posted a picture of looks like my Convoy X3, and I’ve been very happy with it. Good grip, but still comfortable to hold bare-handed. I would be happy to see it become the standard for all Convoy lights.

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I have just ordered a bunch of the 5D4 and 5A1 XML2 leds to replace older greenish XML2 leds. I can’t wait to get them!

About the future S2+ 21700 flashlight , I hope it will also be considered to have a single OP/SMO reflector like is now on the 18650 S2+, I somehow like normal reflectors more than TIR because there is less spray light.

I’m now replacing some 3/5 drivers with Biscotti drivers in a few S2+ lights, to get rid of the annoying squeal that some of the 7135×4 and even 7135×3 driver have. It would be nice if the Biscotti driver would have a setting with 10%, 30%, 50%, 100% and wouldn’t mind if it would be one of the first settings. It is rather difficult to select setting number 8 or 9 or 10, since counting the flashes gets difficult then.

Keep up the good work Simon! Smile

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Those rosy XML-2’s look very promising, are you going to offer them in some of your lights Simon?
Does anybody now if there will be a lumen gain over the XPL-HI, and of so, big?

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Those rosy XML-2’s look very promising, are you going to offer them in some of your lights Simon? Does anybody now if there will be a lumen gain over the XPL-HI, and of so, big?

i can install it if buyers want customization

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Simon Mao wrote:

Dont worry ,friend,not everyone hates FB4,
and i will add FA1 or FA4 in my store ,i just supply one more choice for buyer

Any update on when SST20 will be available in FA1 or FA4?

I already have 3 S2+ so I prefer to wait for one of those bins to try the high-cri Luminus emitter. Innocent

The 219C I received is very nice btw, thank you for offering those.

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Simon Mao wrote:
Barkuti wrote:

SKV89 wrote:
… Why worry about oxidation when it is not visible? It will not affect thermal performance. I bought a light from Enogear that had a copper pill. It has amazing thermal performance.


Tactical  forward switch? 


Oxidation is not a problem and is anyway easily solved.


The actual problem for Simon Mao is probably finding a reliable source at a fair price for copper machined parts. We need to admit this may come at a premium pricetag, but it is doable.


Copper is mine! Copper divine! Big Smile


 


Cheers Party 

i ask manufacturer to produce a new batch after Chinese Spring festival,i will try to use copper pill,
the knurning of S2+ will be removed ,the style of host will be changed,
I hope to reduce costs


Very good quality coupled with low price has always been the S2+ strong point. Nice that you want to improve it further. Thumbs Up
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ValuseekeR wrote:
Simon Mao wrote:

Dont worry ,friend,not everyone hates FB4,
and i will add FA1 or FA4 in my store ,i just supply one more choice for buyer

Any update on when SST20 will be available in FA1 or FA4?

I already have 3 S2+ so I prefer to wait for one of those bins to try the high-cri Luminus emitter. Innocent

The 219C I received is very nice btw, thank you for offering those.

i’m on holiday ,Chinese New Year is a long time festival.
i will get these tints after holiday

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Interested in Convoy S11. When will it be available?

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Convoy S11
What is the size of the lithium battery? CCT?

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I would love to hear some more information about the S11. Will this be available as a host?

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I really hope it’s a 21700 cell!

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I guess it's designed for 26650...looking at Simon's webpage on AliExpress. I would also like the idea of a host version and the capability to run it with 21700 batteries. The S11 would be an interesting competitor to Sofirn's SP33 V2.0 with XHP50.2 and OP reflector.

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It’s great to see new products from Convoy but I was hoping for something new in 21700 format, like a smaller single cell convoy L2 or a S2+ equivalent but with 21700 and brighter

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What size is the driver on this S11? Is the switch forward or reverse?

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Simon Mao wrote:
XXX-Man wrote:
How about this kind of knurling?
Can it be done easy?

I really like this look.

In my opinion, I don’t like this style.
+/

Knurling only on the tailcap, like on the emisar d4 or the fireflies pl47.
EDIT : but the knew simon’s knurling looks good. Little diamonds or several widths of parallel grooves patterns are boring, even if it always looks nice when done well.

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I don’t like smooth body. It looks like unfinished.

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That S11 proto looks like something Klarus would make

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I too think that the S11 should be a 21700 flashlight, with the less than 7A that it draws there are no downsides switching to 21700 and only advantages.

IMO of course.

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Yeah, when the 21700 has most of the capacity of the 26650, and seems closer in size to the 18650 vs 26650, and has pretty good current ratings, as much as I like the 26650 I’d think the 21700 would be the better choice.

‘Though all my 26650s here are now probably plotting to kill me for saying so.

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