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I’m getting really hyped for this now! I have a couple of questions about the FW3A that I’m curious to know answers to. If anybody can chip in with their wisdom, it would be much appreciated!

1) If we were to compare the FW3A to a similarly sized flashlight known for efficiency, such as the Zebralight SC64, would the FW3A be roughly as efficient? One of the main reasons I’m hyped is because of the higher regulation on the FW3A vs an Emisar D4, but I’m not very well versed in how it all works so I’m trying to gauge efficiency by using examples of well known flashlight models in the community.

2) In ToyKeeper’s Emisar D4 review, she listed all of the ramping steps. These seem to be the same on the Emisar D4S and I was able to use them to configure my D4S’ stepped levels very specifically. Will these steps also be the same on the FW3A, as it is running Anduril? I’d like to be able to set my ramp ceiling right at the highest regulated mode for efficiency, and it is nice to know where that is exactly.

Many thanks to everyone on the FW3A team. What a fantastic device you have conceived!

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Thanks folks, I remember reading the original specs quite some time ago, but can’t remember the specifics now. Unfortunately, I didn’t realise at the time there was a link to the specific carclo optic used, and I’m nowhere near technically proficient enough to know this stuff offhand. Thanks for the help.

As someone else mentioned, I’d be keen to buy a spare clear optic if this became an option. It does sound though from what Toykeeper, Jason and everyone is saying the original optic is the way to go.

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@Klayking

1. The Zebralight would still be more efficient than buck/boost driver. LED efficiency would be better than a single 3V emitter light, but driver efficiency will not be as good.

2. It should be higher since it’s using a 1+7+FET driver, instead of 3+FET.

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Looks like Iowa. Thank you.
Wow chadvone, looks like your in the middle of a ‘Deep Freeze’.. Shocked Your whole state is below 0° for the whole day today…. Facepalm .. I imagine you are well aware of that tidbit of info though. . Big Smile
It is much warmer in most of Alaska than Iowa, as well as most of the Midwest USA today.
Turn those lights to TURBO & keep those hands warm…. Wink
Good luck & hope the pipes don’t freeze & burst.

Edit:….. “below 0° “ = Below Zero Degrees Fahrenheit ( 0° F ). As in —18, —11, —9, —17, and so on for their High temps today. Lows tonight will be in the negative (-) 20’s & 30’s F. . Shocked
It hurts me even thinking about that…. Facepalm

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I really love the Eagle Eye X6 flashlight, have far too many of them… all in different configurations. I priced an AR coated Sapphire “Window” in 35mm at $195 each. Having a “window” could indeed drive the price WAY up!

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Posted my review in a separate thread: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/65619

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Been watching this for a while now!
Please put me down for two, one of each.

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I suppose going off topic in this thread is completely acceptable, or maybe the norm, so just out of curiosity, Dale, what is your brightest EE X6, and which is your current favorite? I ask because I have a couple I love as well. Wink

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@Klayking

1. The Zebralight would still be more efficient than buck/boost driver. LED efficiency would be better than a single 3V emitter light, but driver efficiency will not be as good.

2. It should be higher since it’s using a 1+7+FET driver, instead of 3+FET.

Thanks for the explanation!

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After seeing the awesome updates I am totally regretting canceling my second light.

Please go ahead and add me in for another light, bringing my total back up to 2 lights.

And thank you again!!

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Klayking wrote:
1) If we were to compare the FW3A to a similarly sized flashlight known for efficiency, such as the Zebralight SC64, would the FW3A be roughly as efficient? One of the main reasons I’m hyped is because of the higher regulation on the FW3A vs an Emisar D4, but I’m not very well versed in how it all works so I’m trying to gauge efficiency by using examples of well known flashlight models in the community.

2) In ToyKeeper’s Emisar D4 review, she listed all of the ramping steps. These seem to be the same on the Emisar D4S and I was able to use them to configure my D4S’ stepped levels very specifically. Will these steps also be the same on the FW3A, as it is running Anduril? I’d like to be able to set my ramp ceiling right at the highest regulated mode for efficiency, and it is nice to know where that is exactly.

1) The Zebralight will be more efficient due mainly to their buck drivers, versus the linear regulators in the FW3A. Here’s some examples of measurements Maukka has done:

SC64C (90 CRI XP-L2): 140 lm/W on lower output, 106 lm/W on high.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/58833

Emisar D4 (80 CRI 219C): 84 lm/W at regulated channel, ~67 lm/W on medium FET
http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1168204#comment-1168204

There is, of course, a ~2x difference in price, and you trade Anduril for a different UI (although one that is still well-liked by most users).

  • Edit – Since Maukka now has numbers in his review, the FW3A with XP-L HI showed 93 lm/W at max 1×7135 channel, and 85 lm/W at max regulated level.

2) The default ramp ceiling for both smooth and discrete modes for the FW3A build of Anduril is the maximum regulated level.

If you want both channel boundaries, for the FW3A specifically, you can set the minimum ramp at level 1, the maximum at level 130, and 7 steps. This will result in mode 4 being the maximum 1×7135 channel, and mode 7 being the maximum 7×7135 channel.

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It’s not really a fair comparison. XP-L2 is very efficient, 219C not as much.

LH351D right up there with XP-L2 in efficiency and the additional 7135’s add more efficiency to the medium modes.

This frosted lens will also be a few % worse too. In any case the Zebralight will still probably be more efficient but the FW3A will be closer and have a better range of efficient modes as well.

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contactcr wrote:
It’s not really a fair comparison. XP-L2 is very efficient, 219C not as much.

LH351D right up there with XP-L2 in efficiency and the additional 7135’s add more efficiency to the medium modes.

This frosted lens will also be a few % worse too. In any case the Zebralight will still probably be more efficient but the FW3A will be closer and have a better range of efficient modes as well.

And half the price with a far superior UI and rear tail clicky.

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My brightest X6 is 10,660 lumens, my favorite is the solid copper one-off with it’s Nichia NVSU333A UV emitter, but only by a slight margin. The Tritted Titanium X6 is pretty close…

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Please add 2 more for me making a total of 6 Facepalm

(I’m giving away all but 2)

Yeah, I’m sticking to that story

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My first group buy and post on BLF.
In for 1!

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… one could get a lot less for more money, WHY is this so affordable? Shhhhh, quiet!

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saypat wrote:

... one could get a lot less for more money, WHY is this so affordable? Shhhhh, quiet!

quiet_you

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10,660 is obscene!

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So, if I were to buy an FW3A, how many lumens would be too many lumens? Wink

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DB Custom wrote:
So, if I were to buy an FW3A, how many lumens would be too many lumens? Wink

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LOL, maybe the other direction… high CRI lower output emitters, high capacity cell for run time. Quality over quantity.

What? It could happen!

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DB Custom wrote:
LOL, maybe the other direction… high CRI lower output emitters, high capacity cell for run time. Quality over quantity.

What? It could happen!


There you go… put a handful of Yuji emitters in there! How about the BC-3030?

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For me, it’s about output first and foremost. If we could pack 30,000+ lumens into a package the size of an Emisar D4 with a 18350 tube that (somehow) doesn’t get hot SUPER quick, that’s what I’d like to see.

Question for you Dale: of all the emitters you’ve used over the years, is there much of a difference in heat created by different emitters running at the same wattage? Does a XML2, XPL2, XHP35 etc heat up the same at say… 10 watts? I wonder if there will ever be technology that would give us LED’s that don’t get hot as quickly and could give us 30,000 lumens in a pocketable flashlight.

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Welcome to BLF! You got in on a good one, and at a good point.

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Yourrid wrote:
For me, it’s about output first and foremost. If we could pack 30,000+ lumens into a package the size of an Emisar D4 with a 18350 tube that (somehow) doesn’t get hot SUPER quick, that’s what I’d like to see.

This sounds less like a flashlight and more like a camera flash. Lol
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WELL, 10 watts from an MT-G2 doesn’t make much heat. Especially from a 9V variant MT-G2. Barely running. 10 watts from an XHP-35 is pretty miserly as well, still making lumens, just running well within it’s limits. See a pattern here?

30,000 lumens, pocketable, and we win the lottery twice a year, right? All fly Lear Jets and drive Corvettes? See a pattern here? Even if the emitter technology headed us that direction, what Alien is going to bring the battery technology up to par? Can’t say it won’t happen, but it’s doubtful I’ll live to see it… never know though. My Dad is 90, remembers lighting their house with kerosene lamps…

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Hahaha I guess one can dream right! I kind of figured watts = energy = heat in one way or another. I was just curious as to wheather the newer LED’s were getting exponentially more efficient in energy to output or not really.

I suppose the next step would be to put a laser behind a diffuser lens and see what you get. Maybe a triple; red, blue, green lasers with a heavily frosted optic.

Or just carry around a MT09R Thumbs Up

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The thing is that we tend to push these emitters up against the ceiling, and of course they’re inefficient up there. We need to lower our demands to conserve that heat and bring them into the realm of efficiency, maybe use 70.2’s in 12V at lower current and use more of them, something like that. Like the SST-40 really shines over an XM-L2, but not so much at lower levels as the Cree is more efficient down there. So we need some lights like this one that are elegant, stylish, more of the gentleman’s EDC than a Search and Rescue master blaster. There needs to be diversity, not an all or nothing approach.

Y’all didn’t think I could see that, did ya? Silly Of course I like making a light do all it can do, but when I use them I typically spend most of my time in level 4 or 5 of 7. Wink

This is one of the things I love about Anduril, it’s two lights in one… the ramp ceiling keeps the light sane, a good all around working light. Double click to find the alter ego… Big Smile

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