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Tom E wrote:

dealgrabber2002 wrote:
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From TLF review “The VTC5A does not work in my lamp” does this concern anyone?
It’s odd because he used a unprotected flat top which should be 65mm long. The 30Q should be 64.9mm long. The FW3A has springs on both ends. In theory it should work. False alarm. It seems the driver is not positioned corectly.
This makes me a bit worried about their QC

These are prototypes, not production, or even pre-production. Lots of short cuts are made in the proto phase, plus things are not finalized yet.


In the Q8 project, we went through a lot of similar trials/tribulations. Believe me, this is wayyy better they are going slowly rather than rushing this out. You should never see or hear about this problem in something shipped that’s paid for. Early reviewers also see some bad stuff that gets fixed before shipped.

Exactly, that is the reason for prototype builds… I saw these referred to as ‘Proto4’ in one of the posts. That’s a good sign they are finding and working out any issues before moving on to the next build phase.

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No need for concern then.

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Even more confusion. In the TLF they are talking about the light not working without the clip because it works as a spacer for the tail cap(?). If that’s the case it might be a good idea to include a spacer ring to replace the clip if someone does not want the clip(?)

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Tom E wrote:

These are prototypes, not production, or even pre-production. Lots of short cuts are made in the proto phase, plus things are not finalized yet.


In the Q8 project, we went through a lot of similar trials/tribulations. Believe me, this is wayyy better they are going slowly rather than rushing this out. You should never see or hear about this problem in something shipped that’s paid for. Early reviewers also see some bad stuff that gets fixed before shipped.

Euhm, wasn’t this suposed to be a (pre-)production light? I believe I read this a couple of pages ago and that TK commented that she believes people of lumintop don’t quite get what a production sample is. Anyway, I’ve learned it’s better to wait until the first batch has been send out and tested by the buyers before placing/paying my order.

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djozz wrote:
LOL, I have not noticed any chinese flashlight manufacturer that understands what a production sample is and why it should be made.

My bad it was djozz making the comment and maukka found it strange that his “production” sample had a cool white emitter

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kanton wrote:
Even more confusion. In the TLF they are talking about the light not working without the clip because it works as a spacer for the tail cap(?). If that’s the case it might be a good idea to include a spacer ring to replace the clip if someone does not want the clip(?)

This has already been discussed so there should be no confusion. This is also why Lumintop wants to glue the tail cap. The tail cap and or clip is not supposed to be removed. It’s supposed to be unscrewed at the head for battery access.

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dekozn wrote:

Euhm, wasn’t this suposed to be a (pre-)production light? I believe I read this a couple of pages ago and that TK commented that she believes people of lumintop don’t quite get what a production sample is.


This last round was supposed to be a production sample. It clearly wasnt, though because they don’t have the right led or lens. It also looks like they need to tweak the fitment of the driver. It’s diameter is a tiny bit too big or it’s hole is a bit too small causing some samples to not sit down in it’s machined hole.

The parts issue will be fixed when the leds and optics arrive. The driver fitment issue should be easy to fix with some tweaks.

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JasonWW wrote:

This has already been discussed so there should be no confusion.

Where? I am sorry, this thread gets flooded with interest-list entries. We are at post number 6800something on page number 230. I couldn’t find the word “glue” on the first page with the specs. And I don’t think it was a good idea to mix discusison and ordering in the first place. Maybe keep those separated for future projects?

Long story short: I can’t find the discussions about it – could you provide me with a link to it?

JasonWW wrote:
This is also why Lumintop wants to glue the tail cap. The tail cap and or clip is not supposed to be removed.

The last message from TK said it wasn’t clear if it will be glued or not. See:
ToyKeeper wrote:
There might be glue in the tail end though. The decision on tail glue has gone back and forth.

And judging from what Bluzie wrote in the TLF, he isn’t aware of the tail cap getting glued either. He wrote for the latest prototype he received (translated from his post here: https://www.taschenlampen-forum.de/threads/fw3a-tlf-sonderedition-diskus...):

Bluzie wrote:

Of course I unscrewed it [the tailcap], on this prototype the three pieces just fall apart, which isn’t really bad as they can be put together again easily. ToyKeeper already noticed that problem and asked for improvements there.
[..]
If the tailcap stays as it is I suggest to only rarely or never unscrew it.

I just asked in the TLF discussion thread about it – interested in their answer. ^^

And I really hope there will be an option to order it without glue in the tail cap like for the E07. I really hate glue in products with a passion.

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Use the “search within the thread” button. Post #1124 from The Miller.
http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1169582#comment-1169582

I agree that info should be in the specs

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Cobra502 wrote:
Use the “search within the thread” button. Post #1124 from The Miller. http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1169582#comment-1169582

I am not sure, but that seems to be about glue on the head only(?) We are talking about glue on the tailcap.

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Jason is correct. It has been talked about previously in this thread that the light would not work correctly without the clip.
Do I remember exactly where that was discussed? Nope.
If I can find it without to much trouble I’ll post a link.
But I have read every post & it has been discussed.
That is why there has been the “back and forth” about gluing the tailcap.

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Where is the buyer list ? Just want to make sure I’m on it. Thanks

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kanton wrote:
Even more confusion. In the TLF they are talking about the light not working without the clip because it works as a spacer for the tail cap(?). If that’s the case it might be a good idea to include a spacer ring to replace the clip if someone does not want the clip(?)

In my testing, it works fine without the clip. The clip isn’t even held tight, which is why there’s an extra O-ring there to keep the clip from spinning freely. What Bluzie saw was probably caused by the driver fit issue, not the clip.

I don’t really recommend removing the clip, but it shouldn’t cause any functional issues. It’ll just roll easily, and it leaves a gap which people might want to fill with a thicker O-ring or something.

Anyway, I thought these were meant to be production samples, but it seems they’re not. However, the optic and LED types should be easy to fix by simply waiting for the parts to arrive. The only actual issue I’m concerned about now is making sure the driver can fit into the spot it’s meant to go in, instead of resting on top.

It is meant to fit like this. This is good:

But what I found on mine was this. This is bad:

It can be fixed by removing a little bit more material from one specific spot inside the pill. Even if they’ve already manufactured and anodized the parts, it’s a thing which could still be corrected without throwing the parts away, since that part isn’t supposed to be anodized anyway. And it was done correctly on earlier prototypes, so I think they’ll be able to get it right.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
kanton wrote:
Even more confusion. In the TLF they are talking about the light not working without the clip because it works as a spacer for the tail cap(?). If that’s the case it might be a good idea to include a spacer ring to replace the clip if someone does not want the clip(?)

In my testing, it works fine without the clip. The clip isn’t even held tight, which is why there’s an extra O-ring there to keep the clip from spinning freely. What Bluzie saw was probably caused by the driver fit issue, not the clip.

I don’t really recommend removing the clip, but it shouldn’t cause any functional issues. It’ll just roll easily, and it leaves a gap which people might want to fill with a thicker O-ring or something.


Okay, thanks for confirming that it works. I was just really confused by the argumentation why this should not work (the clip acting as a spacer). Still hoping that glue for the tail cap is opt-out at least if it will ever make it into production lights.

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Anyway, I thought these were meant to be production samples, but it seems they’re not. However, the optic and LED types should be easy to fix by simply waiting for the parts to arrive. The only actual issue I’m concerned about now is making sure the driver can fit into the spot it’s meant to go in, instead of resting on top.

It is meant to fit like this. This is good:

But what I found on mine was this. This is bad:

It can be fixed by removing a little bit more material from one specific spot inside the pill. Even if they’ve already manufactured and anodized the parts, it’s a thing which could still be corrected without throwing the parts away, since that part isn’t supposed to be anodized anyway. And it was done correctly on earlier prototypes, so I think they’ll be able to get it right.

Wow, okay, that’s worse than I initially thought it would be. Kind thought it would just not be able to touch the shelf completely, but that is really bad. I really would have thought they would notice that while assembling the prototypes. oO Thanks for the drawing!

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Interested.

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ToyKeeper wrote:

In my testing, it works fine without the clip. The clip isn’t even held tight, which is why there’s an extra O-ring there to keep the clip from spinning freely. What Bluzie saw was probably caused by the driver fit issue, not the clip.

Well that is even better. I was remembering that the clip was essential for the proper spacing.

So the reason Lumintop wants to glue the tail is just to keep the switch parts from falling out since there is no retaining ring?

I wonder if they could put a dab of glue on the switch pcb instead of the cap threads? Maybe it would effect the contact between the pcb and the cap? IDK.

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that clip…would that fit on an S2??? I could use a few

anyone in NE ILLinois into get togethers?

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that clip…would that fit on an S2??? I could use a few

I think that clip could be used on a LOT of lights! Been wondering if they’d sell them separately since the first pics were posted, thinking D4, HDS, and a few other larger lights.
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ToyKeeper wrote:

I’m also hoping there will be a diffuser cone made for it, because I like those and they work well with candle mode.

One of these (or all) probably fits.

https://www.banggood.com/TOWILD-Lantern-DIY-Flashlight-Disffuser-for-Reading-Table-Lamp-Camping-Lantern-p-1306663.html?cur_warehouse=CN

https://www.banggood.com/Nitecore-NTW25-LED-Flashlight-Diffuser-For-Diameter-25_4MM-p-937541.html?cur_warehouse=CN

https://www.banggood.com/Nitecore-NDF25-LED-Flashlight-Diffuser-25_4mm-For-EA1EA2EC1-p-937555.html?cur_warehouse=CN

The first is flexible (25-30mm), the other 2 are specified as 25.4mm.

The FW3A head is measured at 25.5mm but i am betting this is at the absolute thickest part where the knurling is and that the front of the head is slightly smaller.. (25.4mm??? Smile )

ToyKeeper wrote:

Ideally, I’d like the FW3A diffuser to be nearly identical to the Olight S-Mini diffuser, except scaled up to fit.

The Nitecore (3rd one) looks very close, just not as opaque.

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dekozn wrote:
Tom E wrote:

These are prototypes, not production, or even pre-production. Lots of short cuts are made in the proto phase, plus things are not finalized yet.


In the Q8 project, we went through a lot of similar trials/tribulations. Believe me, this is wayyy better they are going slowly rather than rushing this out. You should never see or hear about this problem in something shipped that’s paid for. Early reviewers also see some bad stuff that gets fixed before shipped.

Euhm, wasn’t this suposed to be a (pre-)production light? I believe I read this a couple of pages ago and that TK commented that she believes people of lumintop don’t quite get what a production sample is. Anyway, I’ve learned it’s better to wait until the first batch has been send out and tested by the buyers before placing/paying my order.

I agree. If at all possible, you should wait until someone has tested the production version and not rush to buy it the second it comes available. This should go with any light, but I know it will be hard especially with the FW3A Smile

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Glue on the switch pcb would be better than glue on the threads of the tailcap, if it is possible and will still work.

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Johm wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
I’m also hoping there will be a diffuser cone made for it, because I like those and they work well with candle mode.

One of these (or all) probably fits.

The FW3A head is measured at 25.5mm but i am betting this is at the absolute thickest part where the knurling is and that the front of the head is slightly smaller.. (25.4mm??? Smile )

I have a NDF25, actually. It’s … not good. It doesn’t fit well, and it’s virtually transparent. It mostly just sends light out the front, after filtering the light a bit like a prism to make the beam an ugly yellow.

The FW3A diameter is 25.5mm, not 25.4mm, and this is actually enough of a difference to make some 25.4mm cones not fit well.

I’ve tried every diffuser I can find at banggood and fasttech, and a few from independent stores too. I haven’t found one I like, and the closest one so far is the Fenix AOD-S. It’s just slightly too tight, not opaque enough, and an odd shape… but it works at least okay-ish.

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Why not drill a hole in a ping-pong ball?
It works very well as a diffuser.

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Why not drill a hole in a ping-pong ball?
It works very well as a diffuser.

Maybe that’s something they do over in Romania but here in America we like to throw money away at silly pointless “solutions” that don’t work right anyway…

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I am interested to buy one. Put me on the list please!

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korkfoto wrote:
Why not drill a hole in a ping-pong ball? It works very well as a diffuser.

I'm curious, how do you drill a 25 mm hole into a ping-pong ball without destroying it? Thanks. 

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Maybe a small hole saw.

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