An exacto knife worked. Pingpong balls have the same flaw as most other diffusors: more light is directed upwards than sideways (with flashlight facing up).
Its not the Ping pong balls fault. The flaw is in the flashlight.
Will the code be the same for the LH351D and XP-L versions? I put in for an XP-L but now I’m thinking about getting the LH351D version. I guess the BLF answer would be to get both
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I agree. If at all possible, you should wait until someone has tested the production version and not rush to buy it the second it comes available. This should go with any light, but I know it will be hard especially with the FW3A
Well that is sorta flawed logic. If nobody buys the first run except for a few people, then there won’t be a second run. I can’t think of a single company that would produce say, 10000 of a product, look back and say, “well nobody bought the first run, lets make 10000 more”. Even if most people would wait it out before buying one, you would still get a first run product. They aren’t going to throw the first run away and run a second batch.
I can’t think of a single company that would produce say, 10000 of a product, look back and say, “well nobody bought the first run, lets make 10000 more”.
I hope nobody really thinks they would make 10,000 before they go on sale. That is not realistic. They might make 500 a week, maybe. They might have 2 or 3 weeks made up when they go on sale. Depending on demand, they adjust production. This is more realistic.
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I hope nobody really thinks they would make 10,000 before they go on sale. That is not realistic. They might make 500 a week, maybe. They might have 2 or 3 weeks made up when they go on sale. Depending on demand, they adjust production. This is more realistic.
The number itself wasn’t meant to be realistic. The concept of making something nobody will buy and then making more of them was the point. The number was unimportant, it was a representation of the logic behind suggesting people not rush to buy the first run and wait on a second.
TK, that button effect is simply from the circular machining marks, it’s present on virtually every flat surface machined true on a lathe. Depends a lot on the feed rate but yeah, see it all the time cutting ends of bar stock on the lathe.
A flower is simply the effect of rearranging some of the chemicals in dirt into a different form, and people see them all the time… but I still like to stop and smell them.
Actually most of the atoms in a flower come from the air
I hope nobody really thinks they would make 10,000 before they go on sale. That is not realistic. They might make 500 a week, maybe. They might have 2 or 3 weeks made up when they go on sale. Depending on demand, they adjust production. This is more realistic.
The number itself wasn’t meant to be realistic. The concept of making something nobody will buy and then making more of them was the point. The number was unimportant, it was a representation of the logic behind suggesting people not rush to buy the first run and wait on a second.
I understand completely, but a certain number of people might take your number realistically. I see this happen all the time. I suppose it’s because we have people from all over the world reading this thread and most have no idea how big or small these flashlight companies are and how production, marketing, sales or shipping works. This is why I want to make sure everyone knows your example was not realistic, it was an extreme concept to make a point.
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An exacto knife worked. Pingpong balls have the same flaw as most other diffusors: more light is directed upwards than sideways (with flashlight facing up).
[Pic] is a pp ball on a E2L triple.
Thanks for helping to replace speculation with data. That’s almost always a good thing.
I understand completely, but a certain number of people might take your number realistically. I see this happen all the time. I suppose it’s because we have people from all over the world reading this thread and most have no idea how big or small these flashlight companies are and how production, marketing, sales or shipping works. This is why I want to make sure everyone knows your example was not realistic, it was an extreme concept to make a point.
True enough, I see your point. I think it’s great that the folks on here get to give a new product a good shake down and find flaws before it is released on the world. This is one of the few places that the vast majority of folks will buy a light, having a reasonable suspicion that it won’t be perfect, and are willing to help make it better. You don’t get that in most aspects of life. It is quite unique I would think.
I think it’s great that the folks on here get to give a new product a good shake down and find flaws before it is released on the world.
Yes… but I wouldn’t have asked maukka for help if I thought it was a prototype instead of a production sample. Maukka is already pretty busy without me sending him unfinished items to test.
I’m curious, if they may use 2 different optics for the LH351D version and the XPL-Hi version?
Eg. the Mateminco X6S with triple Nichia 219C uses a frosty (floody) optic by default, but the X6S with triple XPL-Hi uses a throwy (clear) optic by default.
So the XPL-Hi has increased throw, while the 219C becomes even more floody with the chosen optic.
Will this be the case for the FW3A (use a floody optic for LH351D, to make it a floody light), and use a clear optic for the XPL-Hi (for throwy beam)?
I’m curious, if they may use 2 different optics for the LH351D version and the XPL-Hi version?
Eg. the Mateminco X6S with triple Nichia 219C uses a frosty (floody) optic by default, but the X6S with triple XPL-Hi uses a throwy (clear) optic by default.
So the XPL-Hi has increased throw, while the 219C becomes even more floody with the chosen optic.
Will this be the case for the FW3A (use a floody optic for LH351D, to make it a floody light), and use a clear optic for the XPL-Hi (for throwy beam)?
No, they will all use the same optic.
We are using the xpl-hi simply because the domed version does not fit under the optic. The dome is too big. It has nothing to do with being floody or throwy. The frosted 10511 is the best comprise between throw and good looks.
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ToyKeeper, I would like to donate a small gift to show my appreciation. Where do I send it? Thanks.
I haven’t set up anything yet. I’ve been a bit busy testing the light today…
… which brings up a thing people should be aware of for these samples. They seem to have shipped with 10508 or 10509 optics, which are both significantly more floody than the 10511 optic it is intended to have. I heard back from Neal today about this, and Lumintop hasn’t received its order of 10511 optics yet so they used some others they had in stock.
Klayking wrote:
1) If we were to compare the FW3A to a similarly sized flashlight known for efficiency, such as the Zebralight SC64, would the FW3A be roughly as efficient?
2) In ToyKeeper’s Emisar D4 review, she listed all of the ramping steps. These seem to be the same on the Emisar D4S and I was able to use them to configure my D4S’ stepped levels very specifically. Will these steps also be the same on the FW3A, as it is running Anduril? I’d like to be able to set my ramp ceiling right at the highest regulated mode for efficiency, and it is nice to know where that is exactly.
1. No. Zebralights use buck/boost drivers, which are more efficient than linear drivers. The FW3A uses a linear driver.
2. The ramp is not the same as the D4. The full details are in the cfg-fw3a.h file, but here’s a summary:
ToyKeeper, I would like to donate a small gift to show my appreciation. Where do I send it? Thanks.
I haven’t set up anything yet. I’ve been a bit busy testing the light today…
… which brings up a thing people should be aware of for these samples. They seem to have shipped with 10508 or 10509 optics, which are both significantly more floody than the 10511 optic it is intended to have. I heard back from Neal today about this, and Lumintop hasn’t received its order of 10511 optics yet so they used some others they had in stock.
Klayking wrote:
1) If we were to compare the FW3A to a similarly sized flashlight known for efficiency, such as the Zebralight SC64, would the FW3A be roughly as efficient?
2) In ToyKeeper’s Emisar D4 review, she listed all of the ramping steps. These seem to be the same on the Emisar D4S and I was able to use them to configure my D4S’ stepped levels very specifically. Will these steps also be the same on the FW3A, as it is running Anduril? I’d like to be able to set my ramp ceiling right at the highest regulated mode for efficiency, and it is nice to know where that is exactly.
1. No. Zebralights use buck/boost drivers, which are more efficient than linear drivers. The FW3A uses a linear driver.
2. The ramp is not the same as the D4. The full details are in the cfg-fw3a.h file, but here’s a summary:
1 to 65: 1×7135
66 to 130: 8×7135
131 to 149: 8×7135 + FET
150: FET only
Would it make sense to add some 7*7135 stepps?
In theory I suppose you could have a step with the first channel off, the second channel 100%, and the FET off, but im sure that would be a significant amount more programming to add into the firmware to make that work on both the ramp and the steps.
I’m curious, if they may use 2 different optics for the LH351D version and the XPL-Hi version?
Eg. the Mateminco X6S with triple Nichia 219C uses a frosty (floody) optic by default, but the X6S with triple XPL-Hi uses a throwy (clear) optic by default.
So the XPL-Hi has increased throw, while the 219C becomes even more floody with the chosen optic.
Will this be the case for the FW3A (use a floody optic for LH351D, to make it a floody light), and use a clear optic for the XPL-Hi (for throwy beam)?
No, they will all use the same optic.
We are using the xpl-hi simply because the domed version does not fit under the optic. The dome is too big. It has nothing to do with being floody or throwy. The frosted 10511 is the best comprise between throw and good looks.
The XP-L HI was chosen because it makes a particularly nice beam, but the extra throw was a nice bonus too. Domed Cree emitters like XP-L HD and XP-G3 don’t make such good-looking beams. XP-G3 could have been an okay option with a frosted wide or frosted medium optic, because the optic blends out the Cree rainbow effect, but it looks pretty bad in a throwy or clear optic. And XP-L HD physically doesn’t quite fit, so it wasn’t even an option.
LH351D was chosen because it also makes a particularly nice beam, but it’s really floody. It could work reasonably well with a different optic, like 10507 to make it less floody, but I expect that will likely just invite production inconsistencies. Communication on these things is … unreliable. So it’s generally a good idea to keep things simple whenever possible.
There’s a good chance of trying to add SST-20 at some point too, since it has become popular in the time since the emitter poll was finished.
Not really. Even if it worked perfectly, the benefit would be very small. And it’s unlikely it would work perfectly. It could easily create a zig-zag in the ramp instead of going up smoothly.
Using a 1+1+2+4 chip design can work better, and it allows hitting any regulated level while only doing PWM on the first channel. However, this also has relatively minimal gains over a 7+1 design, and it requires more pins, and it tends to make the ramp a little more bumpy because there are more channel transitions.
In any case, it won’t get anywhere near the efficiency of a ZebraLight, because ZL converts extra voltage to usable power and 7135 chips do not.
SST-20 leds look really good in the Carclo 10507, some fraying at the edge of the hotspot closeby that virtually disappears at over 2 meter. Only if you are looking for it you see that the very edge of the hotspot is a bit cooler than the rest of the hotspot. I think it suits the FW3A better than the very floody LH351D, the 4000K and 3000K versions have better tint and CRI and a bit more spot brightness, but with a little less output.
Because for some reason the various SST-20 leds are well available in China, I’m sure that Lumintop will make an SST-20 version at some point.
it will be a while probably, after chinese holidays, most likely Neal will send them out, or atleast help out with it like he has done before in group buys.
Cool just been back into this thread after a few months away and looking at the updates has me well um Excited looks really good and I just want to make sure I don’t “miss the boat”
Drop one of these on instead of the diffuser. Would be kind of interesting to see.
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Its not the Ping pong balls fault. The flaw is in the flashlight.
Will the code be the same for the LH351D and XP-L versions? I put in for an XP-L but now I’m thinking about getting the LH351D version. I guess the BLF answer would be to get both
Thanks
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Well that is sorta flawed logic. If nobody buys the first run except for a few people, then there won’t be a second run. I can’t think of a single company that would produce say, 10000 of a product, look back and say, “well nobody bought the first run, lets make 10000 more”. Even if most people would wait it out before buying one, you would still get a first run product. They aren’t going to throw the first run away and run a second batch.
"Everywhere I go, there I am"
I plan to get the first run that is offered if I can.
I was burned “literally” when i got a first run of the D4, no thermal regulation or mode memory ;(
It is not important at this time. Just say how many lights you want.
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I hope nobody really thinks they would make 10,000 before they go on sale. That is not realistic. They might make 500 a week, maybe. They might have 2 or 3 weeks made up when they go on sale. Depending on demand, they adjust production. This is more realistic.
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The number itself wasn’t meant to be realistic. The concept of making something nobody will buy and then making more of them was the point. The number was unimportant, it was a representation of the logic behind suggesting people not rush to buy the first run and wait on a second.
"Everywhere I go, there I am"
In for another one, for a total of 2
Actually most of the atoms in a flower come from the air
I understand completely, but a certain number of people might take your number realistically. I see this happen all the time. I suppose it’s because we have people from all over the world reading this thread and most have no idea how big or small these flashlight companies are and how production, marketing, sales or shipping works. This is why I want to make sure everyone knows your example was not realistic, it was an extreme concept to make a point.
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Thanks for helping to replace speculation with data. That’s almost always a good thing.
True enough, I see your point. I think it’s great that the folks on here get to give a new product a good shake down and find flaws before it is released on the world. This is one of the few places that the vast majority of folks will buy a light, having a reasonable suspicion that it won’t be perfect, and are willing to help make it better. You don’t get that in most aspects of life. It is quite unique I would think.
"Everywhere I go, there I am"
I’m interested in getting two. Please add me to the interest list.
Yes… but I wouldn’t have asked maukka for help if I thought it was a prototype instead of a production sample. Maukka is already pretty busy without me sending him unfinished items to test.
Meanwhile, back in China with Neal celebrating his Chinese New Year tonight, he brought with him a sample of the FW3A, and sent me some photos:
looks great, i guess the lightning makes it look brighter then it actually is ?
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I’m curious, if they may use 2 different optics for the LH351D version and the XPL-Hi version?
Eg. the Mateminco X6S with triple Nichia 219C uses a frosty (floody) optic by default, but the X6S with triple XPL-Hi uses a throwy (clear) optic by default.
So the XPL-Hi has increased throw, while the 219C becomes even more floody with the chosen optic.
Will this be the case for the FW3A (use a floody optic for LH351D, to make it a floody light), and use a clear optic for the XPL-Hi (for throwy beam)?
No, they will all use the same optic.
We are using the xpl-hi simply because the domed version does not fit under the optic. The dome is too big. It has nothing to do with being floody or throwy. The frosted 10511 is the best comprise between throw and good looks.
Texas Ace Lumen Tube and JoshK Sphere calibrated with Maukka lights
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Would it make sense to add some 7*7135 stepps?
In theory I suppose you could have a step with the first channel off, the second channel 100%, and the FET off, but im sure that would be a significant amount more programming to add into the firmware to make that work on both the ramp and the steps.
Count me in for one!
The XP-L HI was chosen because it makes a particularly nice beam, but the extra throw was a nice bonus too. Domed Cree emitters like XP-L HD and XP-G3 don’t make such good-looking beams. XP-G3 could have been an okay option with a frosted wide or frosted medium optic, because the optic blends out the Cree rainbow effect, but it looks pretty bad in a throwy or clear optic. And XP-L HD physically doesn’t quite fit, so it wasn’t even an option.
LH351D was chosen because it also makes a particularly nice beam, but it’s really floody. It could work reasonably well with a different optic, like 10507 to make it less floody, but I expect that will likely just invite production inconsistencies. Communication on these things is … unreliable. So it’s generally a good idea to keep things simple whenever possible.
There’s a good chance of trying to add SST-20 at some point too, since it has become popular in the time since the emitter poll was finished.
Who where and when do I send MY $$$ to
must be getting close..
Not really. Even if it worked perfectly, the benefit would be very small. And it’s unlikely it would work perfectly. It could easily create a zig-zag in the ramp instead of going up smoothly.
Using a 1+1+2+4 chip design can work better, and it allows hitting any regulated level while only doing PWM on the first channel. However, this also has relatively minimal gains over a 7+1 design, and it requires more pins, and it tends to make the ramp a little more bumpy because there are more channel transitions.
In any case, it won’t get anywhere near the efficiency of a ZebraLight, because ZL converts extra voltage to usable power and 7135 chips do not.
Thank you for passing along news from outside of BLF. It’s helpful to hear about what gets posted elsewhere.
SST-20 leds look really good in the Carclo 10507, some fraying at the edge of the hotspot closeby that virtually disappears at over 2 meter. Only if you are looking for it you see that the very edge of the hotspot is a bit cooler than the rest of the hotspot. I think it suits the FW3A better than the very floody LH351D, the 4000K and 3000K versions have better tint and CRI and a bit more spot brightness, but with a little less output.
Because for some reason the various SST-20 leds are well available in China, I’m sure that Lumintop will make an SST-20 version at some point.
link to djozz tests
it will be a while probably, after chinese holidays, most likely Neal will send them out, or atleast help out with it like he has done before in group buys.
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Cool just been back into this thread after a few months away and looking at the updates has me well um Excited looks really good and I just want to make sure I don’t “miss the boat”
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