FW3A, a TLF/BLF EDC flashlight

7880 posts / 0 new
Last post
nick779
nick779's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 days 2 hours ago
Joined: 03/09/2018 - 15:46
Posts: 223
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Agro wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
ActiveAl wrote:
ToyKeeper, I would like to donate a small gift to show my appreciation. Where do I send it? Thanks.

I haven’t set up anything yet. I’ve been a bit busy testing the light today…

… which brings up a thing people should be aware of for these samples. They seem to have shipped with 10508 or 10509 optics, which are both significantly more floody than the 10511 optic it is intended to have. I heard back from Neal today about this, and Lumintop hasn’t received its order of 10511 optics yet so they used some others they had in stock.

Klayking wrote:
1) If we were to compare the FW3A to a similarly sized flashlight known for efficiency, such as the Zebralight SC64, would the FW3A be roughly as efficient?

2) In ToyKeeper’s Emisar D4 review, she listed all of the ramping steps. These seem to be the same on the Emisar D4S and I was able to use them to configure my D4S’ stepped levels very specifically. Will these steps also be the same on the FW3A, as it is running Anduril? I’d like to be able to set my ramp ceiling right at the highest regulated mode for efficiency, and it is nice to know where that is exactly.

1. No. Zebralights use buck/boost drivers, which are more efficient than linear drivers. The FW3A uses a linear driver.

2. The ramp is not the same as the D4. The full details are in the cfg-fw3a.h file, but here’s a summary:

  • 1 to 65: 1×7135
  • 66 to 130: 8×7135
  • 131 to 149: 8×7135 + FET
  • 150: FET only

Would it make sense to add some 7*7135 stepps?

In theory I suppose you could have a step with the first channel off, the second channel 100%, and the FET off, but im sure that would be a significant amount more programming to add into the firmware to make that work on both the ramp and the steps.

ooeei
Offline
Last seen: 1 month 2 weeks ago
Joined: 06/20/2018 - 09:15
Posts: 4
Location: USA

Count me in for one!

ToyKeeper
ToyKeeper's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 hours 53 min ago
Joined: 01/12/2013 - 14:40
Posts: 8767
Location: (469219) 2016 HO3

JasonWW wrote:
d_t_a wrote:
I’m curious, if they may use 2 different optics for the LH351D version and the XPL-Hi version?

Eg. the Mateminco X6S with triple Nichia 219C uses a frosty (floody) optic by default, but the X6S with triple XPL-Hi uses a throwy (clear) optic by default.

So the XPL-Hi has increased throw, while the 219C becomes even more floody with the chosen optic.

Will this be the case for the FW3A (use a floody optic for LH351D, to make it a floody light), and use a clear optic for the XPL-Hi (for throwy beam)?


No, they will all use the same optic.

We are using the xpl-hi simply because the domed version does not fit under the optic. The dome is too big. It has nothing to do with being floody or throwy. The frosted 10511 is the best comprise between throw and good looks.

The XP-L HI was chosen because it makes a particularly nice beam, but the extra throw was a nice bonus too. Domed Cree emitters like XP-L HD and XP-G3 don’t make such good-looking beams. XP-G3 could have been an okay option with a frosted wide or frosted medium optic, because the optic blends out the Cree rainbow effect, but it looks pretty bad in a throwy or clear optic. And XP-L HD physically doesn’t quite fit, so it wasn’t even an option.

LH351D was chosen because it also makes a particularly nice beam, but it’s really floody. It could work reasonably well with a different optic, like 10507 to make it less floody, but I expect that will likely just invite production inconsistencies. Communication on these things is … unreliable. So it’s generally a good idea to keep things simple whenever possible.

There’s a good chance of trying to add SST-20 at some point too, since it has become popular in the time since the emitter poll was finished.

Archangel72
Offline
Last seen: 1 day 4 hours ago
Joined: 10/03/2017 - 15:06
Posts: 14

Who where and when do I send MY $$$ to

must be getting close..

ToyKeeper
ToyKeeper's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 hours 53 min ago
Joined: 01/12/2013 - 14:40
Posts: 8767
Location: (469219) 2016 HO3
Agro wrote:
Would it make sense to add some 7*7135 stepps?

Not really. Even if it worked perfectly, the benefit would be very small. And it’s unlikely it would work perfectly. It could easily create a zig-zag in the ramp instead of going up smoothly.

Using a 1+1+2+4 chip design can work better, and it allows hitting any regulated level while only doing PWM on the first channel. However, this also has relatively minimal gains over a 7+1 design, and it requires more pins, and it tends to make the ramp a little more bumpy because there are more channel transitions.

In any case, it won’t get anywhere near the efficiency of a ZebraLight, because ZL converts extra voltage to usable power and 7135 chips do not.

ToyKeeper
ToyKeeper's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 hours 53 min ago
Joined: 01/12/2013 - 14:40
Posts: 8767
Location: (469219) 2016 HO3
tatasal wrote:
Meanwhile, back in China …

Thank you for passing along news from outside of BLF. It’s helpful to hear about what gets posted elsewhere. Smile

djozz
djozz's picture
Offline
Last seen: 44 min 37 sec ago
Joined: 09/07/2012 - 17:04
Posts: 14551
Location: Amsterdam

SST-20 leds look really good in the Carclo 10507, some fraying at the edge of the hotspot closeby that virtually disappears at over 2 meter. Only if you are looking for it you see that the very edge of the hotspot is a bit cooler than the rest of the hotspot. I think it suits the FW3A better than the very floody LH351D, the 4000K and 3000K versions have better tint and CRI and a bit more spot brightness, but with a little less output.

Because for some reason the various SST-20 leds are well available in China, I’m sure that Lumintop will make an SST-20 version at some point.

mortuus
mortuus's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 20 min ago
Joined: 12/16/2014 - 09:33
Posts: 1552
Location: Sweden

Archangel72 wrote:
Who where and when do I send MY $$$ to

must be getting close..

it will be a while probably, after chinese holidays, most likely Neal will send them out, or atleast help out with it like he has done before in group buys.

...where Frugal meets with Flashlight!

Archangel72
Offline
Last seen: 1 day 4 hours ago
Joined: 10/03/2017 - 15:06
Posts: 14

Cool just been back into this thread after a few months away and looking at the updates has me well um Excited looks really good and I just want to make sure I don’t “miss the boat”

Attackhorse
Attackhorse's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 month 2 weeks ago
Joined: 10/26/2017 - 13:37
Posts: 5
Location: Maryland

In for one! Thank you!

Scallywag
Scallywag's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 2 min ago
Joined: 01/11/2018 - 22:23
Posts: 98
Location: United States

Excited to swap Luxeon Vs into one...

Jaxman E2L (Warm White Cree XP-G2 - 5A) | Jaxman M8 | Nitecore EC23 | Supfire M6 (in-progress mod)| Blue Convoy S2+, Moonlight Special | Emisar D4 (Cyan, Luxeon V 4000k)

Convoy L6 (MTN FET+7135 w/ D4 firmware, 4000k XHP70.2) | Zebralight SC62 | Purple Convoy S2+ XPL-HI | TerraLux LightStar 100 | Streamlight ProTac 1AA | Nebo Twyst

Bevo
Bevo's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 days 22 hours ago
Joined: 03/24/2017 - 01:50
Posts: 10
Location: Cypress, TX

I am 192…please put me down for 1 more (2 total).

contactcr
Offline
Last seen: 23 min 46 sec ago
Joined: 05/19/2017 - 18:52
Posts: 1314
Location: US

djozz wrote:
SST-20 leds look really good in the Carclo 10507, some fraying at the edge of the hotspot closeby that virtually disappears at over 2 meter. Only if you are looking for it you see that the very edge of the hotspot is a bit cooler than the rest of the hotspot. I think it suits the FW3A better than the very floody LH351D, the 4000K and 3000K versions have better tint and CRI and a bit more spot brightness, but with a little less output.

Because for some reason the various SST-20 leds are well available in China, I’m sure that Lumintop will make an SST-20 version at some point.

When I put some in a E2L with 10507 the starburst shaped hotspot is very noticable to me. I personally am not too bothered by it but I dont think I would say virtually disappears.

cap90
Offline
Last seen: 1 month 1 week ago
Joined: 02/04/2019 - 16:15
Posts: 2

Sign me up for 1 please.

roll_tide
Offline
Last seen: 1 month 2 weeks ago
Joined: 06/10/2014 - 13:24
Posts: 27

Please put me down for two more.

Streamtronics
Streamtronics's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 days 12 hours ago
Joined: 01/02/2019 - 19:14
Posts: 13
mortuus wrote:
looks great, i guess the lightning makes it look brighter then it actually is ?

Nope, I already asked about the color some pages back, it’s not like it’s graphite gray or something (sadly ;D) – see TK’s reply:

ToyKeeper wrote:
Streamtronics wrote:
In the OP it says “current status: anodization is dark gray”… now, I can’t speak for others of course, but to me dark gray would be something like graphite (or maybe a bit lighter than that) – in the pics it looks like it’s closer to silver, kinda like a middle gray actually lol.

We asked for dark grey, though what I received is more of what I’d call a medium grey. I think it still looks good though, even though it’s a bit lighter than expected.

Firelight2
Firelight2's picture
Offline
Last seen: 34 min 13 sec ago
Joined: 04/08/2011 - 15:17
Posts: 3185
Location: California

Just got an Emisar D4 with 4000K 95 CRI SST20 installed.

The beam looks beautiful. I think even superior to my previous favorite XPL HI 4000K.

Might have to get some of these to swap into an FW3A.

Tom E
Tom E's picture
Offline
Last seen: 40 min 33 sec ago
Joined: 08/19/2012 - 08:23
Posts: 11737
Location: LI NY

Hank has a great price on the SST20's - $1.58 each, qty 10.

teacher
teacher's picture
Online
Last seen: 2 min 17 sec ago
Joined: 02/23/2016 - 19:04
Posts: 7962
Location: NE & SW Alabama

Tom E wrote:

Hank has a great price on the SST20’s – $1.58 each, qty 10.

Link please??

You never know how a horse will pull until you hook him up to a heavy load./"Bear" Bryant 

 .................................. "Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast" ...................................

       Texas Lumens Flashlights / M4D M4X Deals : sign up - save $$$$  

         Rudeness Level _ mΩ _ {width:70%} _ LightWiki _ LED Tint Chart  

      Xlamp size chart _ BatteryU _ Flashaholic? Need Professional Help???            TheOriginal _ TAB _ LightSearch _ BatterySearch _ 14500's _ DiCal 

 

                                             

KawiBoy1428
KawiBoy1428's picture
Online
Last seen: 5 min 39 sec ago
Joined: 04/11/2014 - 18:05
Posts: 3316
Location: The Motor City

teacher wrote:
Tom E wrote:

Hank has a great price on the SST20’s – $1.58 each, qty 10.

Link please??

https://intl-outdoor.com/luminus-sst20-bare-led-p-936.html

KB1428 “Live Life WOT”

offroadatnite
offroadatnite's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 month 1 week ago
Joined: 10/22/2017 - 13:33
Posts: 19
Location: Fredericksburg, Pa. 17026 United States

hi ,
Checking in, it appears there is a decision to be made.
my numbers are 739, 740, 889, 890. could you make it two of each emitter? thank you. Andy

Tom E
Tom E's picture
Offline
Last seen: 40 min 33 sec ago
Joined: 08/19/2012 - 08:23
Posts: 11737
Location: LI NY

KawiBoy1428 wrote:
teacher wrote:
Tom E wrote:

Hank has a great price on the SST20's - $1.58 each, qty 10.

Link please??
https://intl-outdoor.com/luminus-sst20-bare-led-p-936.html  

Thanks KB, ad there's more. Hank just emailed me with the part numbers of the low CRI versions:

SST-20-WCS-A120-L3652(L3-VL-BA) 6500K 
 
SST-20-WDS-A120-L2501(L3-VK-DA) 5000K 

 

I asked him to post on the website, we'll see. I got in the 5000K's for their better throw and output, so that DA tint I'm glad to see.

I would assume their the same SST-20's he's using in the Emisars. I email him at contact@intl-outdoor.com, and seems to get back pretty quick, might be an hour or day or two.

BlueSwordM
BlueSwordM's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 3 min ago
Joined: 11/29/2017 - 12:34
Posts: 3470
Location: Canada

Is he sure that the 5000k emitter is a L3 flux binned part?

The datasheet says that the L2501 chromacity bin is a L2 flux binned part with a chance of getting the DA tint bin, which seems good.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/64047
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

teacher
teacher's picture
Online
Last seen: 2 min 17 sec ago
Joined: 02/23/2016 - 19:04
Posts: 7962
Location: NE & SW Alabama

Tom E wrote:

KawiBoy1428 wrote:
teacher wrote:
Tom E wrote:

Hank has a great price on the SST20’s – $1.58 each, qty 10.


Link please??
https://intl-outdoor.com/luminus-sst20-bare-led-p-936.html  

Thanks KB, ad there’s more. Hank just emailed me with the part numbers of the low CRI versions:


SST-20-WCS-A120-L3652(L3-VL-BA) 6500K 
 
SST-20-WDS-A120-L2501(L3-VK-DA) 5000K 

I asked him to post on the website, we’ll see. I got in the 5000K’s for their better throw and output, so that DA tint I’m glad to see.


I would assume their the same SST-20’s he’s using in the Emisars. I email him at contact@intl-outdoor.com, and seems to get back pretty quick, might be an hour or day or two.

Thanks for the info KB & TomE.

@ TomE…. Excuse my ignorance, but what is the DA tint you mentioned?
What does the ‘DA’ signify??

You never know how a horse will pull until you hook him up to a heavy load./"Bear" Bryant 

 .................................. "Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast" ...................................

       Texas Lumens Flashlights / M4D M4X Deals : sign up - save $$$$  

         Rudeness Level _ mΩ _ {width:70%} _ LightWiki _ LED Tint Chart  

      Xlamp size chart _ BatteryU _ Flashaholic? Need Professional Help???            TheOriginal _ TAB _ LightSearch _ BatterySearch _ 14500's _ DiCal 

 

                                             

Tom E
Tom E's picture
Offline
Last seen: 40 min 33 sec ago
Joined: 08/19/2012 - 08:23
Posts: 11737
Location: LI NY

I dunno - maybe ask him. He first told me they were L3, then I asked for the other tint info and that's when he gave me the part #'s.

Doesn't KD sell them here: http://kaidomain.com/Flashlight-DIY-and-Tools/LED-Emitters-or-LED-Star-on-PCB/Luminus-Leds/Luminus-SST-20-L3-DA-Neutral-White-5000K-LED-Emitter

They got a pic of the label.

 

Tom E
Tom E's picture
Offline
Last seen: 40 min 33 sec ago
Joined: 08/19/2012 - 08:23
Posts: 11737
Location: LI NY

Blue knows more bout this than I do, but from the SST-20 datasheet, the DA and DD tints are at or below the magical line thing...

https://download.luminus.com/datasheets/Luminus_SST-20-WxS_Datasheet.pdf

 

BlueSwordM
BlueSwordM's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 3 min ago
Joined: 11/29/2017 - 12:34
Posts: 3470
Location: Canada

@TomE, good god you made me laugh. Magic Line thing. That’s a first LOL

Well, the DA tint bin is precisely what it sounds like: the color tint bin, or how the beam of the light tends to go to a certain color, being red or green, below or above the curve.

The magical line you see is, simply put, the black body line. A perfect 100CRI light source will be on this line, every time. Otherwise, it might actually drift to slight green, or slight red.

Slight red is preferred by most people since it looks more saturated.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/64047
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

teacher
teacher's picture
Online
Last seen: 2 min 17 sec ago
Joined: 02/23/2016 - 19:04
Posts: 7962
Location: NE & SW Alabama

OK, thank you Tom. Thumbs Up

You never know how a horse will pull until you hook him up to a heavy load./"Bear" Bryant 

 .................................. "Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast" ...................................

       Texas Lumens Flashlights / M4D M4X Deals : sign up - save $$$$  

         Rudeness Level _ mΩ _ {width:70%} _ LightWiki _ LED Tint Chart  

      Xlamp size chart _ BatteryU _ Flashaholic? Need Professional Help???            TheOriginal _ TAB _ LightSearch _ BatterySearch _ 14500's _ DiCal 

 

                                             

teacher
teacher's picture
Online
Last seen: 2 min 17 sec ago
Joined: 02/23/2016 - 19:04
Posts: 7962
Location: NE & SW Alabama

Thanks Blue!! So the ‘DA’ is on the slight red side. Right??

You never know how a horse will pull until you hook him up to a heavy load./"Bear" Bryant 

 .................................. "Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast" ...................................

       Texas Lumens Flashlights / M4D M4X Deals : sign up - save $$$$  

         Rudeness Level _ mΩ _ {width:70%} _ LightWiki _ LED Tint Chart  

      Xlamp size chart _ BatteryU _ Flashaholic? Need Professional Help???            TheOriginal _ TAB _ LightSearch _ BatterySearch _ 14500's _ DiCal 

 

                                             

Tom E
Tom E's picture
Offline
Last seen: 40 min 33 sec ago
Joined: 08/19/2012 - 08:23
Posts: 11737
Location: LI NY

smileembarassedcool - that about says it all about that... 

Pages