FW3A, a TLF/BLF EDC flashlight - SST-20 available, coupon codes public

That would be more noise in this already confuse process.
I guess it should be better to wait for LT decision on this!
Making new polls with dozens or hundreds of opinions that may end up in nothing if LT decides to go other way, would be very exhausting.

TK, tatasal and Neal seem to be in contact more or less. Maybe it is better to let them bring us the news and say what will be needed or not about this process!

okok u are right, makes sense.

Hi, just found about this light after a seeing a few mentions on r/flashlight - very interested and would like to order two.

For comparison:
Firelight2 played around with SST20 4000K 95 CRI and compared it to XPL HI D4. Both are Emisar D4 lights.

Thanks for that link, I hadn’t seen that post before.

Secondly, I’d like to invite all those who continue to ‘muddy the waters’ with requests to make changes to read the first page of this thread. It is what it is; you’ve paid no money and have nothing to complain about.

People other than yourself are offering voluntary time and services in an interesting creative endeavour. If you’re not satisfied, design and create something superior yourself. Maybe the rest of us will buy it and maybe not…but for this one it is what it is and all this criticism and back seat driving is getting on my nerves. Imagine how it feels for those actually putting in the effort.

I’m most excited for XPL HI.

If I get a second one, I’d like it to be quite different from the HI version. I understand that with the triple optic they will be in the same ballpark, but I’d like them to be at opposite ends of the spectrum, if that makes sense.

Not sure where u are going with this, what requests nobody is requesting anything? i think everyone that are on the list are excited to see the end of tunnel hopefully not too long from now, but this thing with the samsung emitters is ofc not much to do atm.

The whole idea with the samsung emitter was the reason i jumped in here and i read almost daily to see if any news etc pop up, progress on prototypes feedback etc all that… i want buy this light once its ready. Ive had this joy that im gonna have a first light with tripple frost lens with the samsung emitters and now it seems maybe that wont happen, wouldnt u be a bit dissapointd if u counted on it ?

Wow, thanks for the link joechina; I had not seen that post by Firelight2 comparing the two emitters.
It tells me all ’I’ need to know about the SST20 4000K 95 CRI. :cry:

It makes me very sorry I ordered a Convoy S2+ with the emitter just to see what all the hype I had been reading was about. :person_facepalming:
Oh well, it was on sale for cheap…. if it turns out to be as I suspect after reading Firelight2’s report; I’ll just swap the emitter or give the light away. :wink:
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Well said Tumbleweed48…

Or you can put some diffuser sheet above the lens to avoid the greenish :wink: That’s what I do with a - for me - good emitter, XML2 T6-4C in a Convoy S2 and it works :wink:

Maybe it’s an idea to wait for the LH351D, but also give the option to order the light without emitters.

That way LT doesn’t have to source new emitters and everyone is happy.

True, but after reading that report; ’there was much more that ’I personally’ was less than impressed with’ than the “greenish” color. :wink:

Oh, sorry, I thought you were focusing on the tint :person_facepalming: :smiley:
I guess it will be a very specific LED, better for some type of use than other!
Anyway, I’m planning to grab one of each LEDs that will be sold, so waiting more or not, I’ll…wait :smiley:

I’ll defer my preferences on emitters to those who don’t expect to mod their lights.

Whichever high CRI emitter the FW3A comes with, I will probably also buy a triple of the other to swap and compare and decide which I like best.

With regards to the LH351D being floody, it seems worth mentioning that Djozz tested dome slicing of the LH351D, and reported good results. 15-20% light loss, but increased throw, and also, rosier, warmer tint.

A Q6-binned Samsung would be equivalent to D240 in Nichia terms (240 lumens minimum at 700mA and 85 deg C). Based on DJozz’s sliced emitter measurement, that suggests a D190 output after dedoming.

A J4-binned SST-20 would also be equivalent to D190, so this creates a couple similar options for those interested in modding.

No problem my friend. :+1: . :smiley: . Tint was indeed just one factor. :wink:
The XP-L HI has always been my first choice anyway. I will probably get one (1) of the second choice emitters too, whatever it ends up being; if first reports are favorable in the ‘tint department’. :wink:

I almost knew this was coming….getting a Chinese company to use South Korean suppliers (ie. Samsung) is like finding a unicorn, few and far between….personally not interested in the SST-20 in the slightest.

Based on the link to Firelight2’s comparison above, it sounds like SST-20’s may not be such a good idea after all. Maybe we should wait for the Samsungs.

My vote is wait for the Samsung’s. I’m down for two atm, one XPL-HI and one LH351D. I’ve been underwhelmed with my experience of the SST-20s and am not interested in any more until the tints are definitely below BBL without any green or yellow tint.

If the tint is good and not green I’m fine with sst20

Yes, there are 12 individual marks, arranged like the hours on a clock. And with one emitter different, it’ll look even more like a clock, because the marks at 3, 6, 9, and 12 o’clock will be a different color. In addition to those, I find XP-L HI in 10507 also produces three large corona “petals” which surround the hotspot like a big triangle. One of these three would also be a different color. Maybe it’s not so noticeable with 4000K and 5000K though, since they’re both pretty neutral.

With 10511 the big triangle is gone and the clock hour marks are much less noticeable.

I only quoted this one key word… because “should” really doesn’t apply to any part of this process. And for life in general, I find that “should” is usually just a path to disappointment.

Exactly. I don’t know either. Neal doesn’t really tell me much detail about anything. However, I can confirm it’s not just the FW3A. The BLF Lantern seems to be having some difficulty sourcing LH351D emitters too.

There are no concrete answers yet. However, there is a high probabilty of more than two, in the future… because I think this light will probably be very popular if it is made well with no major flaws. Like, if the driver fit and reliability issue is fixed, it will probably sell very well.

The BLF A6 was very popular, and is still being produced and sold years later. It’s a practical general-purpose EDC light, and I think it has now sold more units than every other BLF project. It still gets recommended on forums because no one has yet made a better budget light to replace it. But I think the FW3A could finally replace the BLF A6.

If my guess is right, and if things go well, it may become a best-seller. So I’m guessing Lumintop will want to produce more versions of it in the future.

This is true. However, I did ask for feedback about the emitter type. I want to know if people are okay with using SST-20, which is easier to get, or if they’d rather wait for LH351D even though it could take quite a while.

It’s not a quantitative poll though. Even if people voted 100% one way or the other, I can’t guarantee what will actually happen. It’s more to just get a general qualitative feel of what people prefer, so we can give a suggestion to the manufacturer.

My favorite by far is XP-L HI. I think I’ve been fairly clear about that, but just in case… it’s the one I consider the best for this light. I would ideally only make the light with XP-L HI emitters, and offer it in 7D, 5D, 4D, 3D, and 1D tints. Or maybe 6D, 5A, 3D, 2A. Perhaps 7A, 5D, 4A, 2D. Something like that.

I’ve tried both LH351D and SST-20, but my experience with both so far has been “icky green tint”, even at high CRI. But maybe that would be better with the correct tint bin.

However, this project isn’t just for me. Or just for Fritz. We already have one. This project is for the people. And a lot of people really like LH351D or SST-20. So we’ll use those… or at least one of the two. If either one can be obtained in a rosy tint bin, I think it would turn out well.

My favorite, and many other’s as well, is also XPL-HI. I think some people want to just try another emitter, or keep the cost slightly lower. I’m sure I’d be very happy with just two XPL versions.