Test/review of Molicel INR21700-P42A 4200mAh (Gray)

Never heard of Molicel before. Wonder if they go through the rigorous testing of samsung batteries before coming on the market. They also cost a few dollars more and since Liion sells them, not worth their shipping cost to Canada.

Thanks for the review HKJ. The name of the company makes me LOL.

Great molicel P42A ,Thanks HKJ :+1:

Hey @HKJ,are you not doing constant current discharge tests for more than 30A now because the battery holder burned down?

Some high drain batteries, such as 30T, 20s, we would like to see 35A or even 40A tests.

If this is the reason, I think it can be solved… :blush:

There are two reasons for the 30A limit:

  1. My clamps has a tendency to melt.
  2. More work, my standard automatic test station only goes to 30A, for higher current I have to move to my main work/test station that has 4 30A load I can use in parallel (My software support this and I have used it for some tests).

It is very few batteries that really need to be tested above 30A.

Thank you very much for your reply.

It’s just my personal need. Maybe the same fans want to get more current data.

Take the molicel P42A specification as an example. The maximum discharge here is 45A. I hope to see the discharge data of 45A. Their batteries are also used in many high-end areas and are trustworthy.

Some batteries are overloaded and still discharge to a good capacity, but some batteries have a rapid voltage drop, such as the 14500, 18350, 16340 batteries you tested, which is very common.

It’s just my personal advice. I’m very supportive of your work.

Thank you again for your hard work :slight_smile:

You may have never met them, but we have known them for years.
The E-One Moli is one of the leading companies in the Li-Ion battery.
I once read somewhere that it is one of N.A.S.A’s suppliers.
In general, the quality of Moli is equivalent to well-known companies
Panasonic (Sanyo)
Murata (Sony Energy)
Samsung SDI (SDIEM)
LG Chem.

If I remember well those who built the MNKE, they were E-One Moli employees and their batteries wanted to be of comparable performance and quality.
Now MNKE belongs to IMREN …… and of course …… was lost ….

So do not worry about Moli …
They are similar to the batteries of major manufacturers.

Now MNKE belongs to IMREN …… and of course …… was lost ….

Where did you get the information? I’m curious :open_mouth:

The truth is that I do not remember where I read it ……
Unfortunately ……
I think I had read it here, but I’m not sure.

On a personal level, I would like it to be untrue … and MNKE will continue to be on the market ……

Ok, Thanks。 I have news here that mnke batteries are made in Jiangsu, not in Guangdong.

Sales are now falling sharply because technology hasn’t been updated for many years.

We have vapcell 26650 4200 MAH 32A and mnke 3500 mah.

I’m glad I learned this, Dennis .
It was the only company that had good batteries in the market a few years ago in size 26650.

One of the good companies in my opinion and it would be bad to withdraw from the market.

The last battery I had from this company was 4000mAh.
Many years before ……

I personally do not deal with this size, but it is good to have good choices in the market.
The latest 26650 batteries I came into contact with were the YDL 4200mAh (Aspire / Ijoy), the Basen 4500mAh (I do not know the manufacturer) and the PLB 5000 (Liitokala 5000A).

I can say it was good as a performance, but for the size of these batteries I personally think it’s still far behind the 18650 …… and of course well below the 21700 …

Today I think this size does not have a future, because of 21700.
We already have 5000mAh with 10 - 15A and size 21700 is …. baby …

- The 21700 will surely surpass 26650 if the 26650 build continues with today’s data ….

You are right,21700 battery is amzing. we also have those 26650 batteries except 26650 4500mah

Yes but only the specific format “26700” reaches to reach 40 continuous amps, when I say that I think about Molicel cells “IBR-26700A” (2800mAh Typical Capacaty and Max Continuous Discharge of 40A) and “IMR-26700A” (2900mAh Typical Capacity and Max Continuous Discharge of 40A), I know for cells of diameter 26mm their respective capacities are rather weak, but it was the sacrifice necessary at the time of their designs to obtain a continuous maximum discharge of 40 Amperes. There is no secret in it, you can not have both an extremely high capacity and a maximum continuous discharge extremely high too, you must choose one or the other, or create a balance / compromise between these two main features :wink:

Moreover, for the record, the two models of Molicel cells mentioned above were the first to be used concretely in various cars or electric racing vehicles at the start, as well as the first Formula “E” versions, I think that their maximum continuous discharges 40 Amps played a lot in favor of their primary and major uses in these racing cars, hehe … Let’s hope that the 20700 and 21700 formats far exceed their records of pure power and time on the racing circuits used!

THANK YOU, you have done a great job.

I saw all the tests and very impressed.

Unfortunate because it appears their headquarters and manufacturing is done in Maple Ridge BC, as well as in Taiwan.

HydrAxx ….

I did not know that there is
IBR 26700 A.
I only knew about
IMR 26700 A

Thanks .

You’re welcome.

If you want to test the Molicel IBR26700A, there are still in stock on the site that I will give you (German site, but they deliver everywhere in Europe) but they are a bit expensive you’ll see, but it’s the only place where they are still available to my knowledge.

https://shop.lipopower.de/LiIon-Rundzelle-Molicel-IBR26700A-37V-2800mAh

Thanks HydrAxx .
Thank you very much my friend ….

I posted this elsewhere, but received no answers...

I'm looking for a 21700 battery for an Astrolux EC01 (single cell flashlight, XHP50.2) which is rated at 3500 lumens on turbo. I believe it draws 14.8 amps on turbo. I'm looking at this particular cell for it, but then I read something about FET+1 drivers, and something about I think it was voltage sag, which leads to believe that I might be better off with a battery that's rated for LESS continuous high-drain amperage...possibly a 20A instead of this 45A Molicel. Again, I know little about high drain batteries and even less about drivers, and what I've read confuses me.

I'm looking to get both max lumens and max runtime on turbo, but also want to have max runtime once the battery can no longer sustain the turbo mode. What I read lead to believe that lower continuous amperage batteries would still give full lumens on turbo, but for a shorter time due to inefficient heat, and consequently thermal stepdown...and then since I used less juice for turbo, I'd have more left for high, medium and low... Is this correct, or am I totally lost???? :)

Would I want the 45A Molicel shown here, or would I be better served by having a battery that puts out less continuous amperage, like maybe a 20A variety?

Thanks in advance.

First of all, you cant have both max lumens and max runtime on turbo. The more lumens, the more heat. The faster the flashlight heats up, the sooner it needs to adjust down from Turbo to not burn you.

Second, why do you want max lumens? You think you do, but you really don’t. If you look at a light putting out 3000 lumens and then one putting out 3500 you would not see the difference with your eyes. You would only be able to measure the brightness difference with equipment.

I think you would be better served with a medium to high capacity battery and not a high drain. This Molicel P42A would be fine as well as a Samsung 40T or 50E. The 50E (5000mah) will give slightly less max output, but run Turbo longer and run all lower levels longer.

BTW, a FET driver is also called a direct drive driver. It’s like connecting a wire directly from the battery to the led on Turbo. So the battery as well as various resistance in the circuit will effect the brightness. The amperage draw will vary. Manufacturers have to use certain leds with FET drivers to make sure that they won’t get burned up by high powered batteries. It is a tricky balance. They can limit current by the components they use.