*BLF LT1 Lantern Project* (Post #6078 Lantern GB Price announced!

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Compared to the $30-$60 lanterns on the market, this one looks to be hands down the best and by a wide margin

I have 4 – $17 Zanflare T1 Lanterns that are ALL hands down better than the LT1….. oh wait ……… the LT1 has even been created yet

Tell you what, your welcome to take it over to design & build one better, cheaper & faster if you want. I would be happy to hand over the reigns of this project to you if you want it & can offer something cheaper, better and quicker. It just gets a little boring & tiring having to clean the mud off the back of my head every time you seem to throw some at me when other or me aren’t looking. I have far more important financial, family & increasing health problems to deal with & worry about anyway honestly.

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Calm down man….I noticed you didnt quote my whole post… maybe you didnt read it or think it was important. It was. Did you see the ‘all kidding aside’. Maybe you took offense at my Zanflare suggestion. None was meant. I personally like the Zanflare T1 very much and think it has gotten a bad rap because of your review for what ever reason. I agree the design could be better but what you reported was an exception. The T1 would be a good backup until the LT1 becomes something we can hold.

Like I said in my post (that you excluded), my only prerequisite for the LT1 is that it be of good quality and priced fairly ‘for me’ based on the actual cost to manufacture + ’reasonable profit’…….. Is something wrong with that?

As far as me taking over….. not a chance. I could not do what you have done and believe it or not I do appreciate ALL of your work. I really do and I didnt see anywhere in my post that I inferred anything different aside from mentioning that I dont have an LT1 yet.

I apologize if I offended you.

Im not a Pessimist …. just an Optimist with a lot of experience

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SIGShooter wrote:
New additions added since 3/3.

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OP updated! Thanks Smile

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Coscar…until you have something to compare, you have nothing to compare.

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The Zanflare T1 is a good lantern but this is comparing apples with pears. The Zanflare T1 is a small compact lantern with low cri, low output (like 100lm sustainable) and is almost entirely made out of pastik which leads to serious overheating issues.
Our LT1 ist much bigger, brighter with a higher cri and made out of metal, of course it’s going to cost more.

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And it has a genuine ToyKeeper user interface! Smile

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chinooker wrote:
Coscar…until you have something to compare, you have nothing to compare.

I think I was clear I was not comparing the two lanterns. Maybe you also missed my “kiddin aside” comment because Den did not include my full post when he quoted me. The only comparison I made(besides the ‘kiddin aside’ comment)was the Zanflare was available and the LT1 was not and the T1 would be a good alternative until the LT1 was available. Apparently, no one understood my statement and my sense of humor was not appreciated. I did apologize

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Madtoffel wrote:
The Zanflare T1 is a good lantern but this is comparing apples with pears. The Zanflare T1 is a small compact lantern with low cri, low output (like 100lm sustainable) and is almost entirely made out of pastik which leads to serious overheating issues. Our LT1 ist much bigger, brighter with a higher cri and made out of metal, of course it’s going to cost more.

Again, I was not comparing the 2 lanterns. Please read what I actually said. Did your T1 overheat? Do you have one? None of the 4 that I have have had any problems nor have I heard of anyone besides Den that experienced anything that would actually cause a problem unless the unit or battery is defective. I think the general consensus was Den’s results in the “DANGER” thread were the exception and not the rule.

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For anyone interested, the Zanflare T1 Lanterns are again available for $17 w/code……… and no, I am not comparing the two designs, but the T1s do a fantastic job providing a lot of light in a compact package(1-18650). They are available NOW and will make a good alternative until the LT1 is available. http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1465335#comment-1465335

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TBH Asking for $40 especially on such an intrepid endeavor, is a bit overzealous.

The Sofirn Q8 retails Amazon for like $60. If we got this at group buy price for $60/ea, I would be quite happy. Considering the pure amount of new stuff shoved into this thing. If you got it to $50 for the group buy, it’d be an excellent bargain, and I’d probably get 3 or 4 in that case.

indeed. If even the production sample is close to the prototype V1 or V2 i built, it will be far better than any of the many factory lanterns i tested, used & modded that costed twice as much. The majority interested will be ok with the price that Sofirn sets, i just turn & ignore the very few who seem to whine if they can’t get everything for close to nothing. I seen the same happen in the other BLF projects in the past by some of the same people. as the saying always goes we can’t please everyone no matter what we do.

No need to understate what this is, it is a game changer. It will wipe the floor with every existing lantern in just about every metric possible. This is not just a cool new light with an interesting reflector setup. This thing is AWESOME. I feel very fortunate that there are people willing to jump the hoops to make this happen. I genuinely think this is a pretty revolutionary thing in the flashlight world, dare I say one of the most significant modern lights to be produced. At least it’s taking steps nobody has taken in decades……

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Sign me up for one please

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I’m in for one. Please add me to the list.

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Interested in one, thanks.

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I can’t stress enough how important it is that this be a solid build that can withstand shock (repeated drops from a high distance). I go camping with my kids a lot, and use lanterns in areas where I may put it on a lantern or somewhere where it may fall to the floor/ground. I haven’t read through every page, but hopefully testing for drops is on the list.

I’ve been excited for this project since the first post years ago and can’t wait to see the finished product. A big thanks to everyone involved!

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osb40000 wrote:
I can’t stress enough how important it is that this be a solid build that can withstand shock (repeated drops from a high distance). I go camping with my kids a lot, and use lanterns in areas where I may put it on a lantern or somewhere where it may fall to the floor/ground. I haven’t read through every page, but hopefully testing for drops is on the list.

I’ve been excited for this project since the first post years ago and can’t wait to see the finished product. A big thanks to everyone involved!

Again, with the extraordinary expectations….

I would love to see any modern lantern have such drop ratings. To see it under $100 would make me need to change pants. We are setting a lot of firsts with this light, I think the best wisdom to your concerns is “take better care of it.”

Granted, I bet this will hold up better than most lanterns on the market, especially given the smaller comparative size of the most fragile bits, but c’mon guys. Let’s all re-calibrate our expectations here, we seem to be getting some very anomalous readings…..

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I am interested in one as well. Please add me to the list. Thank you.

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dotBLF wrote:
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I can’t stress enough how important it is that this be a solid build that can withstand shock (repeated drops from a high distance). I go camping with my kids a lot, and use lanterns in areas where I may put it on a lantern or somewhere where it may fall to the floor/ground. I haven’t read through every page, but hopefully testing for drops is on the list.

I’ve been excited for this project since the first post years ago and can’t wait to see the finished product. A big thanks to everyone involved!

Again, with the extraordinary expectations….

I would love to see any modern lantern have such drop ratings. To see it under $100 would make me need to change pants. We are setting a lot of firsts with this light, I think the best wisdom to your concerns is “take better care of it.”

Granted, I bet this will hold up better than most lanterns on the market, especially given the smaller comparative size of the most fragile bits, but c’mon guys. Let’s all re-calibrate our expectations here, we seem to be getting some very anomalous readings…..

Where did I say anything about extraordinary and extensive drop tests? It should survive pretty much unlimited drops from a table, and it would be nice to see it survive from a 6ft ladder. I guess “high” was a bit nebulous on my part. Just pointing out that this lantern will be used in plenty of jarring circumstances as you’d expect from an outdoor product that doesn’t just reside in a pocket or someone’s hand.

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> (repeated drops from a high distance).

That’s a pretty big ask for any electronic device. These aren’t going to be potted internals AFAIK, a light that could be labeled as able to “stand repeated drops” from any distance would almost certainly need to be potted. Especially with kids involved. Plus, the lens/ whatever is a natural weak point of any lantern, so expecting it to be as durable as say a regular Fenix light, just isn’t realistic.

I think jumping in, admitting to not having read anything, and then demanding something that is a tad ridiculous, is a bit distasteful. Similarly, so is demanding that this be at an incredibly low price point.

Expecting any lantern to be as drop safe as you are actually suggesting is quite a big task, and not really the name of this game. That being said, I’m sure it will hold up to all sorts of bumps and bruises, in fact better than I bet most lanterns that currently exist. But I do not plan to be dropping this thing onto ground repeatedly and I think that is the most logical route for preservation of an item like this is to not treat it like something from Surefire.

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About drop-proofness: I think that this design can withstand being dropped quite well if:
1) thick tough polycarbonate is used for the light cup,
2) and/or a metal tube is used around the center screw clamped between top and body that prevents bending forces transferred to the light cup plus making the construction more stiff overall.

If the construction is made without metal tube and with a thinner and/or PMMA light cup, the construction is less tough, but should still be pretty durable.

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dotBLF wrote:
> (repeated drops from a high distance).

That’s a pretty big ask for any electronic device. These aren’t going to be potted internals AFAIK, a light that could be labeled as able to “stand repeated drops” from any distance would almost certainly need to be potted. Especially with kids involved. Plus, the lens/ whatever is a natural weak point of any lantern, so expecting it to be as durable as say a regular Fenix light, just isn’t realistic.

I think jumping in, admitting to not having read anything, and then demanding something that is a tad ridiculous, is a bit distasteful. Similarly, so is demanding that this be at an incredibly low price point.

Expecting any lantern to be as drop safe as you are actually suggesting is quite a big task, and not really the name of this game. That being said, I’m sure it will hold up to all sorts of bumps and bruises, in fact better than I bet most lanterns that currently exist. But I do not plan to be dropping this thing onto ground repeatedly and I think that is the most logical route for preservation of an item like this is to not treat it like something from Surefire.

Again, putting words in my mouth. “Admitting to not having read anything”. I never said anything of the sort and have followed this project since the beginning, but I admit to not having read every page and I don’t remember a mention of drop testing or durability. Please get off your high horse and look at the intent of mentioning durability and having some focus on it. I’m sure none of us want the design team to turn a complete blind eye to durability/reliability and if a significantly more durable design costs an extra $5 I’m all for it.

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No horse here friend. We move further and further from my point, which as you stated, wasn’t exactly what you meant.

> I’m sure none of us want the design team to turn a complete blind eye to durability/reliability and if a significantly more durable design costs an extra $5 I’m all for it.

Neatly, this is my point. You bringing it up, especially in the manner of which you originally stated, is not necessary or relevant. It’s far too late for any such changes, they are in production stages. Further, we are starting with a known platform, the Q8, and if you read the first main post, it’s durability/ reliability were evidently considered regularly. Suggesting that any of the people working on this would have “turned a blind eye to durability/ reliability” is a bit ridiculous….

Your original comment was a bit of an unrealistic prospect for most lanterns in general. Regarding this specific lantern, there exists the information and documentation of what you can reasonably expect to see durability-wise from this project. I believe the durability of the lens/ surround was specifically addressed in a couple of videos and in a few blocks of text, regarding material choices and design. So this is not some mystery variable, we can reasonably deduce what to expect durability wise from this light with the provided information.

That is to say: toss it in a bag sure, knock it over on the table fine, maybe it rolls off once or twice, OK. Your kids throwing it around like a football or expecting it to be rock solid with multiple drops or strikes just isn’t realistic, that’s not to say it has 0 durability.

I do not intend this as antagonism, it’s more a texted-out facepalm with an attempted explanation of why. It rubs me the wrong way when people make statements as such that are unrealistic or making declarations for specs of information that has already been provided, in the face of LOTS of hard work. It would behoove everyone, for when someone thinks “I wonder if they thought of X” to then go and read all of the available data. It’s very interesting and worth while.

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Please add me to the list for one. Been watching for a while and looks like a fantastic project!

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I am interested in one, please.

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Please add QTY 2 to the list for me as well.

Long time lurker, first time poster, this project forced me to join the club! Hello All!

I work for a stainless and aluminum distributor specializing in waterjet processing (based in Portland OR), if I can assist in anyway, I’d be happy to!

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I need another unit please. Thank you.

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