FW3A, a TLF/BLF EDC flashlight - SST-20 available, coupon codes public

A few manufacturers are listening to our suggestions, Lumintop is doing the contrary. They are breaking our agreements, so at this point they are going “free-wheel” and doing whatever they want. It remains nothing of the external original design except the triple TIR and e-switch tail location.

Please remove me from the list (4 units) even if I was in since long.
Tally-ho: 557, 558, 1543, 1544

This is true.

Do they, do you really think that people around you will recognize lumintop’s logo at first sight ?
Concerning people I know and people I’m meeting, except 2 of my relatives at best, I doubt they will recognize it !

People following this thread since day one are knowing how many concessions we made with all those changes. It’s time to say enough is enough for me with those revamping.
I was waiting to know the GT4’s price to make a decision between a GT70 and GT4, but when I’m saying that it is enough for me, it is enough with this brand.

Yeah. My sigh was about the unexpected changes, not the discussion.

I know.

Wow, I don’t think I have ever seen so many needy people grouped in one place. It reminds me a lot of my great grand mothers weekly ladies book club meetings.

Add me for one more please. XPL HI is fine. Rabbit is fine too.

Preferences not neediness.
Lets be fair, the light has completely transformed from the original concept.
Granted it is very nice, it is not what the first signed up for.
Sticking a rabbit on it right on that nicely machined button is just really silly now. On the clip would be better.

What if they made the flashlight tube from plastic? Would anyone still want it?

What color would the plastic be?? :open_mouth: . :smiley:

Carbon fibre black :wink:

:+1: … This, I can agree with. :wink:

I’m in!! :beer:

I’m not at all saying we shouldn’t discuss stuff, nor am I a fan at all of late in the game surprise tweaks. I just think since the light has already changed immensely from the beginning, we should just get on with it, and not worry about little, insignificant details. Otherwise, who knows how much longer this could drag out?

I agree but I don’t think anyone is listening to us here about design?
It won’t affect me at all anyway, just something else to work on.
I just really liked that plain button cover :smiley:
It could have been worse like on the actual body. (No more ideas LT!) :stuck_out_tongue:

the logo is to place a stamp with their logo on the light, since this light will sell outside blf on banggood, ali, ebay etc, they want protect so that nobody can claim its light by anyone else, u know in china they copy everything…

There will always be people buying this flashlight whatever the changes but i’m not a compulsive buyer who will let them taking over the original concept that was already largely revamped.
Where are the machining marks on raw aluminium without logo ?
Very lately the only raw piece with machining marks without logo was the button : gone !

The TLF/BLF team has put a lot of free time and efforts to serve them a beautiful concept that they are not respecting since long, because of their own will or because of their inabilities to stick with it (inabilities to make a clear anodization (raw aluminum was changed to clear anodization at one time), etc.
How many changes were made and accepted so far ?

I can totally live with those changes and the long wait for LH351D version (4 pieces to start with), but I can also totally live without this flashlight when I’m considering they went too far by not respecting what I signed for !

For me there is a limit to what people can and can’t do. Will you let someone you invited in your home push you outside of your home ? Taking over a project by doing the exact opposite of what was initially voted/decided has a limit at some point for me. They pushed me out of the list !

Logo : no money. No logo : maybe.

Are a slightly darker anno, easily removeable symbol on the tailcap and one emitter option being different from what was voted on (due to difficulties obtaining the original choice) really “drastic changes”?

Are any of these three persons going to ask that the logo be removed, as per the original instructions of the group buy? If they won’t speak up I’m not sure how Lumintop will know that “No logo” was a requirement before 1,000 people signed up.

I really don’t care if Lumintop puts their logo on the FW3A, but etching it on the switch where you have to feel it every time you use the light is pretty lame.

Sat, 06/02/2018 - 17:21………… #3300

I was following this thread since day one (Thu, 05/04/2017) and I can make concessions because of difficulties (ano, sourcing emitters, etc), several where made so far. Adding a logo is a change because of difficulties ?
No it is a change that prove that they took over this project and that they don’t even care of the original concept and don’t care about people designing it and don’t care about people who signed for the original concept.
Machined marks on a button don’t look the same as sandpaper marks. :wink:

As I said, there will always be people to buy it whatever the changes. I’m not.

The BLF/TLF team had put the good aspects in their hands for free, but they are doing whatever they want with it to make money and reputation. Thanks !
“Now that your concept is our…shut your mouth and buy our flashlight, it’s good and beautiful !”

I’m not going to talk about it over and over and I don’t expect people who signed for it lately to understand my point. I said what I had to said. The decision isn’t in my hands except where I will put my money.