I mean, functionally, itās still going to be the same driver and triple optic in the same small size with a rear e switch. The emitters were always vague; I certainly wouldnāt rather to use the original options. If you are leaving because of the aesthetic appearance, leave, thatās up to you and nobody has to validate you. Donāt get stuck in the door.
But personally since the anodization and tailcap logo are only skin deep, and wonāt impact the actual performance, itās hard to call it a significant change or even some sort of unexpected statement. They are the ones making the light; thatās been the dynamic this whole time. Itās just an annoyance, which doesnāt actually make it worse than any other options I can think of to buy instead.
Remember that nobody here on BLF has invested money in the project (AFAIK), nor is Lumintop under any obligation to stay strictly to the original design - CERTAINLY not when there is potential risk involved in doing so.
ā¦say, like not having any branding at all on your newest and very anticipated product.
Maybe Iām more of the function > form type though. ĀÆ\/ĀÆ
Tally-ho, I do understand your point. Everyone has a different limit of what they will accept, and a different tipping point. We will all vote with our wallets, one way or the other.
Hmmmā¦ āLooks like a giant turd now. Might as well be brown.ā
I get your drift bansuri and to thinkā¦ one little bunny wabbit almost instantly caused all this uproar.
Wellā¦.maybe ābrownā anno is an option. This could be the logoā¦
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I kinda like that āCAUTION! Hot Lightā thing you mentioned too. Maybe they could even do that in Neon Orange so it would show up good.
Reckon some would like that better??
What do yaā think??
I see your still in for yours & I am certainly still in for mine. :+1:
Perspective people, perspective.
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Edited to try & remedy my royal screw upā¦. detailed in a post below.
Teacher, calm down and Tally-ho.
Was hoping that following up that turd statement with āIām still in for 2ā, AND the exaggerated language of the post would give away that I was not serious.
For a THIRTY SOMETHING DOLLAR light this will be great even if it IS turd brown.
Also, to the haters, just use some oven cleaner on the visible parts, sand off the bunny, and thereās your original version. You would pay many, many times more for a custom light built to your high standards and tight tolerances.
Thanks bansuri - was worrying that itās getting a bit heated.
Itās okay if people are disappointed with the change; everyone is entitled to their own opinions and tastes. But we can have the discussion more respectfully, and stick with critique, rather than attack.
I was joking when I suggested a black pocket clip would be contentious, but that generated a couple pages of discussion anyways, and now weāre fretting over the transformation of the light to include an engraved logo on the button cover
I also enthusiastically vote for a bare button if Lumintop can be talked into it for the group buy, but letās not get carried away.
As far as I know the project history, the big changes were:
Tapered tube - Fritz reported this was a good change for use with a pocket clip.
Emitter evolution - XP-G2 > XP-G3 > voted XP-L HI + voted LH351D > SST-20. My take is the evolution was generally positive, except the change from LH351D to SST-20 has mixed pros and cons, and the response was muted as a result of that and widespread desire not to delay the light further.
No longer a bare or clear finish - this was intended to be part of the character of the light, so the most significant of the aesthetic changes. But it still is an aesthetic change.
And even those changes werenāt really that big. Itās still:
Smaller than all but a handful of 18650 lights (eg - DQG Tiny, CNQG Beauty)
1+7+FET driver
Triple emitter
Tail e-switch
Ramping UI (although changed from Narsil to Anduril)
Very affordable compared to its feature set
I recognize sometimes small changes add up to more than a given personās interests may allow, so Iām not surprised to see a handful of people drop out of the group buy. Overall, however, this still looks like an excellent fit for most of us.
Personally, I'm going to be happy with this light as long as it functions as intended. Put a bunny or a turd on the switch, I don't really care. I appreciate the work others (and not me) have put into the design and internals and if the manufacturer puts a pretty discreet logo somewhere on the light who am I to bitch about it? I haven't spent a dime yet and if I don't like it I don't have to buy it. But I will buy at least the two I've put on the list because it looks like it's going to be an absolute winner for an EDC light. Thank you again to everyone that spent their spare time to make this light happen, I appreciate you.
Again, not sure if our emitter choices are taken into consideration when posting on this thread for this purchase, but Iād like to change to XPL-HI. 2 total. Thanks.
I totally agree with your conclusion and the rest of your message i removed from the quote to avoid a long quote.
The initial project has externally changed significally for me, but those changes are not the main reason for my decision.
The main reason is that it was a BLF/TLF project made by lumintop. Lumintop is only the manufacturer but in no way it is a Lumintop flashlight.
Why would they put their logo on it while they could not conceptualize, design and manufacture such a flashlight on their own. Why would they take all the credits with their logo ?
If I will purchase the 4 units I asked for, the implicit message would be that Iām accepting all those inabilities, their messes and above all the logo which is an unilateral change that IS not part of the project.
They canāt do whatever they want with this project that is not their.
They canāt put their logo on it while they canāt make this right on their own without assistance for every stages of the project !
Really, they canāt figure how to put a driver properly (proto4!) to make a functionnal flashlight ?
Without BLF contributors, Lumintop would still manufacture tacticool flashlights with mechanical clicky and stupid low, med, high, strobe, SOS user interface.
Jason asked me I was thankful to them for making it ? Certainly not, because they would have never think of it without the BLF/TLF team. It still doesnāt even exist in their mind to the point that they are unable to make it properly even when you serve them on a plate.
Iām only thankful to the BLF/TLF team and most particulary to Fritz for the original design and to ToyKeeper (and Neal) for keeping the baby alive.
I donāt need or have to be thankful to a manufacturer that is only here to take the good ideas from a project to make profit and benefit of a transfer of technology. They should be thankful by respecting the project.
I will only buy it without logo OR if it has to have a logo : a TLF/BLF logo and/or a ToyKepper logo.
If the production version is manufactured with the Lumintop logo, Iām asking to be removed definitely from the listā¦even if I had tons of sandpaper and waterstones up to grit 30.000 to remove their logo.
My bad english doesnāt help but I hope that it is more understandable now.
