FW3A, a TLF/BLF EDC flashlight - SST-20 available, coupon codes public

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I have some 3000K from Hank which turned out to be HB4 (above BBL). I also have some from KD which were listed as HD2 (below BBL). HB4 is yellow, HD2 slightly less so but still yellow none the less despite supposedly being below BBL.

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I just found this thread. I smiled when I read the part in the opening thread about No Logo. It was the tipping point when I decided I wanted one. I HATE my life being used as someone else’s billboard, so I avoid logos whenever possible. Then I see in recent posts they put a bunny on the button. It looks good as far as logos go, but now I don’t want one. I have enough flashlights anyway, I’ll live without it.

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djozz wrote:
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It has been an interesting and exciting day, but we should perhaps step away and cool off for a while now that Bunnygate has been resolved. It sounds like people will probably be able to get a smooth tail or a bunny tail, depending on whether they order as part of the group buy or wait until afterward.

The only other news I have is that Neal is still looking for a good tint bin for SST-20. The FB4 J5 bin is in stock but it doesn’t look very good, so he’s still looking for something with lower duv (higher duv = more green, lower duv = more red). Ideally it’d be FA1, FA4, FD1, or FD4 in a J4 chromacity bin… but that may be impossible to get. Hopefully it could at least be FA or FD something though, instead of a FB or FC bin.

Here’s the image I sent to communicate which bins are desired:


Despite some claims from various sellers, for below BBL tint for 2700K, 3500K and 4000K SST-20 leds (I measured quite a few now), I have seen for each colour temperature resp. the same tint every time, for 3500K and 4000K slightly above the BBL, 2700K on/slightly below the BBL. So I wonder if Luminus actually produces anything different, and would be surprised if Neal comes up with a different tint.

If someone managed to source those bin the light would look like a red laser pointer on turbo.

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Joshk wrote:
I just found this thread. I smiled when I read the part in the opening thread about No Logo. It was the tipping point when I decided I wanted one. I HATE my life being used as someone else’s billboard, so I avoid logos whenever possible. Then I see in recent posts they put a bunny on the button. It looks good as far as logos go, but now I don’t want one. I have enough flashlights anyway, I’ll live without it.

You might have missed it (easy to do with so many posts recently):

tatasal wrote:
News update April 10, 11:20am +8gmt:

There will be NO Lumintop logo on the switch on group buy versions of the FW3A.

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oweban wrote:
Joshk wrote:
I just found this thread. I smiled when I read the part in the opening thread about No Logo. It was the tipping point when I decided I wanted one. I HATE my life being used as someone else’s billboard, so I avoid logos whenever possible. Then I see in recent posts they put a bunny on the button. It looks good as far as logos go, but now I don’t want one. I have enough flashlights anyway, I’ll live without it.

You might have missed it (easy to do with so many posts recently):

tatasal wrote:
News update April 10, 11:20am +8gmt:

There will be NO Lumintop logo on the switch on group buy versions of the FW3A.

oh, sweet!

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contactcr wrote:
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The only other news I have is that Neal is still looking for a good tint bin for SST-20. The FB4 J5 bin is in stock but it doesn’t look very good, so he’s still looking for something with lower duv (higher duv = more green, lower duv = more red). Ideally it’d be FA1, FA4, FD1, or FD4 in a J4 chromacity bin… but that may be impossible to get. Hopefully it could at least be FA or FD something though, instead of a FB or FC bin.

Here’s the image I sent to communicate which bins are desired:


Despite some claims from various sellers, for below BBL tint for 2700K, 3500K and 4000K SST-20 leds (I measured quite a few now), I have seen for each colour temperature resp. the same tint every time, for 3500K and 4000K slightly above the BBL, 2700K on/slightly below the BBL. So I wonder if Luminus actually produces anything different, and would be surprised if Neal comes up with a different tint.

If someone managed to source those bin the light would look like a red laser pointer on turbo.


There is a catch though when using the led in a reflector light or with narrow TIR: the light ending up in the hotspot is for the greater part formed by light emitted at an angle, which tends to be closer to or above the BBL, compared to the cone of light straight above the led. So you must start fairly far below the BBL to end with a hotspot that is still not above it.
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Chiming in again as it appears I haven’t been added yet.

Add me to the list.

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DarkShot wrote:
Chiming in again as it appears I haven’t been added yet.

Add me to the list.

You weren’t added to the list because the last update was before you manifested your interest in the flashlight!
When the list is updated again, you will see your name.

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tatasal wrote:
News update April 10, 11:20am +8gmt:

There will be NO Lumintop logo on the switch on group buy versions of the FW3A.


Great! Thumbs Up

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MascaratumB wrote:
You weren’t added to the list because the last update was before you manifested your interest in the flashlight! When the list is updated again, you will see your name.

Cheers, after I posted I double checked to see when the last update had happened and it was a couple days prior to my previous post.

Oh well. That’s what I get for posting before my morning coffee.

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DarkShot wrote:
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You weren’t added to the list because the last update was before you manifested your interest in the flashlight! When the list is updated again, you will see your name.

Cheers, after I posted I double checked to see when the last update had happened and it was a couple days prior to my previous post.

Oh well. That’s what I get for posting before my morning coffee.


No problem Thumbs Up Beer
Keep checkin, but note that updates may take a while to be done!

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Please remember my name as well. I definitely want one!

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contactcr wrote:
If someone managed to source those bin the light would look like a red laser pointer on turbo.

Not really. Djozz already answered with most of the reason why, but there’s also something to be said for rose-tinted glasses. If we actually got the requested bins, it would still not be as pink as people like.

I find the regular duv units a bit awkward, since they’re so small… so I generally use mduv instead — thousandths of a duv unit. Anyway, most of the LEDs we use range from about +5 mduv (cyan/green/yellow) to -5 mduv (magenta/pink). In studies though, they found people preferred about -15 mduv (very pink). So they’re actually considering changing the definition of ANSI standard white because its “pure white” line is so far from what people actually prefer.

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bringbackmybunny ™
( I want a bunny on the lens too for cool wall shots!)

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More than +/- 6 mduv is not ANSI white and some metrics of white light, such as CRI become invalid. Examples of ANSI non-white LEDs seen in the flashlight world include the Nichia 219B sw45k (-7-8 mduv at modest current) and the “90 CRI” XP-G3 Olight used in the S1 Mini (+10 mduv on its lowest mode).

The study is really interesting because it asked people what light looked the most natural, and what they picked is extremely rosy and hypersaturated. I like rosy and saturated, plan to put three sw45ks in one of my FW3As, and light my room with a Viltrox VL200T, but I recognize these light sources differ from unfiltered sunlight.

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Ormbett wrote:
bringbackmybunny ™
( I want a bunny on the lens too for cool wall shots!)

Kind regards

+1
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ifratos wrote:
cabfrank wrote:
I have curiosity based, but ultimately meaningless question, for those whose guesses are better educated than mine; how much do you think this light will sell for, retail, after the group buy has been fulfilled?
me too….does anyone know?…the difference will be the bunny price

First of all, a big thanks to all who have been involved — this is a really nice light and I am in for at least one on the group buy. Being a relative newcomer, I am grateful for the opportunity.

That said, I will probably buy one after the group buy as a present for somebody who was born in the year of the rabbit and who would greatly enjoy having the logo, at least if the price delta is not too great (i.e. “the bunny price”). Wink

Finally, I am somewhat surprised about all the commotion over what I consider minor changes. The essence of this light remains consistent and anyone who has been involved in product development realizes that changes are inevitable. The only way to get exactly what the initial concept proposed is to have a custom build at a much higher price. As soon as a manufacturer gets involved, there must be changes made to fit their process and also to insure adequate sales volume to recover startup costs and ongoing manufacturing.

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Please add me in for one extra light.. thx

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I find all the bickering and “threatening” to not purchase hilarious. It’s got a well-loved open-source firmware, a good range of fully-regulated power, a standardized LED layout and optics, a novel rear e-switch, and it still manages to be basically the second-smallest 18650 light in current production. At $30, I’d buy it if they painted it plaid; we’re lucky it doesn’t cost three times that much.

I’m already down for one, but put me down for a second. I’ll probably buy at _least _ that many. If nothing else, they’ll be fun to tinker with or make good gifts.

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Increase my interest level to two lights (up from one) please

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I find all the bickering and “threatening” to not purchase hilarious. It’s got a well-loved open-source firmware, a good range of fully-regulated power, a standardized LED layout and optics, a novel rear e-switch, and it still manages to be basically the second-smallest 18650 light in current production. At $30, I’d buy it if they painted it plaid; we’re lucky it doesn’t cost three times that much.

Obviously no one is entitled to this light, it’s being designed by volunteers and I appreciate the work they’ve done. I do however see the point that these people are making. This is the looks category of the main post as of right now:

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The original plan was clear anodized aluminum complete with the original machining marks, but after three rounds of prototypes this did not happen. The attempts did not turn out as desired. So, based on forum feedback, the plan is to do dark grey anodizing instead. It is also possible that a bare unanodized version could be made later, but this remains to be determined.

No marking/logo for a clean look

Custom-designed stainless steel clip

Machined steel button on the tail

Bearing this in mind, I don’t think it’s that unreasonable for people to be upset and say that they may have lost interest in the light because of this.

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I think the dark grey looks lovely. Much better than bare aluminum. Love

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I’m in for a Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog logo:)

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I find all the bickering and “threatening” to not purchase hilarious. It’s got a well-loved open-source firmware, a good range of fully-regulated power, a standardized LED layout and optics, a novel rear e-switch, and it still manages to be basically the second-smallest 18650 light in current production. At $30, I’d buy it if they painted it plaid; we’re lucky it doesn’t cost three times that much.

Obviously no one is entitled to this light, it’s being designed by volunteers and I appreciate the work they’ve done. I do however see the point that these people are making. This is the looks category of the main post as of right now:

Quote:
The original plan was clear anodized aluminum complete with the original machining marks, but after three rounds of prototypes this did not happen. The attempts did not turn out as desired. So, based on forum feedback, the plan is to do dark grey anodizing instead. It is also possible that a bare unanodized version could be made later, but this remains to be determined.

No marking/logo for a clean look

Custom-designed stainless steel clip

Machined steel button on the tail

Bearing this in mind, I don’t think it’s that unreasonable for people to be upset and say that they may have lost interest in the light because of this.

Literally only one of those things has changed though.

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ANYWAAAYY

Can’t wait for these.. Modding them will still be fun ,too, it turns out Smile

Are we there yet??

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I want to buy this flashlight.
Please, add me to the list.
Thank you.

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This light is turning 2 next month Big Smile

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Still looks like new Smile

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Still looks like new Smile

Timeless design!

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Two years is hard to believe, and I’ve read all 8350 posts in this thread. I’m not the only one, either. I guess we sure do like our lights.

I’m fearlessly predicting now that this will be done by Christmas. Wink

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